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Truckin
2005-10-04, 14:01
HI All,

I hike mostly in the spring and fall but have never been a big fan of winter. Perhaps some of you can give me some good advice on winter clothing. I am planning a trip for the week immediately following Christmas. I will be walking on average fifteen miles a day for seven days. The weather in Kentucky is unpredictable. Sometimes the winter here is as warm as early spring and other times its freezing rain with temperatures in the low 20s. I am considering taking pants made of polartech (the wind resistant kind) for my base layer with a pair of nylon shorts over top of that. If there is precipitation (or its exceptionally windy) I plan to use my rain pants as my outer shell. But otherwise I will go without. I want to be comfortable but also adequately prepared for bad weather, for this kind of mileage (taking in consideration the chaff factor) do you recommend adding more layers? Or do you think this could be sufficient? Since I haven’t bought what I need yet I am also open for alternative options (cheap stuff that works just as well). I am considering Sgt. Rocks ideas on taking army pant liners but I am wondering if that will end up being too warm and will just end up carrying the extra weight around? :confused:

Thanks!

Sgathak
2005-10-04, 15:03
One factor is - how warm is your sleeping bag? If youve got a spring/fall weight bag, and just plan on wearing some polartec and rainpants at night, if you get a cold snap, itll be a chilly night, and youll be cursing yourself for leaving the liner pants at home. At the same time, if youve got a warm winterweight bag, and you keep moving while awake, you might be able to get away with just layer of spandex runners tights under your rainpants, even when it gets cold and windy.... and end up stripping off layers at night because your too warm.

blackdog
2005-10-04, 15:50
It's a good idea to use two different layers, one thin and one thicker, instead of just one layer. I use this technique to adjust my blanket in bed and also for the fleece I wear beneath one of two different jackets.

thin - thick - both

For winter clothing I actually use three layers combined:
1. Polyester tricot
2. Microfleece
3. Polarfleece

All layers wick the moisture away from my skin which allows me to combine them any way I want to. I don't use my thick Reima snowmobile jacket much anymore. The cheap, wind resistant outer shell (an anorak) is enough on all days but a handful.

hotelseven
2005-10-09, 12:04
Couple pieces of advice that I would offer:

1. Bring something waterproof to sit your butt on. Something insulated is even better!
2. Avoid cotton as it wicks moisture and has no insulating properties. Wool is better as it will at least insulate you when it gets wet. Synthetics or down is the best (but you have to keep the down dry...).
3. Try to keep your body temp regulated enough so that you don't sweat. If you are using rain pants (as opposed to a waterproof breatheable) I would be very careful to not get sweaty. You will freeze once your body temp cools down.
4. Lots of layers! I did a winter trip last year in Northern Ontario and counted 5 layers of pants (hehe it was hard to move but I was warm and it was -35!)

Winter camping can be a blast but in my opinion, getting cold can ruin it. Having the right clothing can make the difference between a fun trip and a crap trip....

http://home.cogeco.ca/~most.recent.trip/slides/DSCN0884.JPG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~most.recent.trip/slides/DSCN0826.JPG

Kea
2005-10-09, 20:11
Okay, so what is polyester tricot and how does it compare to polypro?

blackdog
2005-10-10, 17:33
Okay, so what is polyester tricot and how does it compare to polypro?
It's basically the same kind of (knitted) fabric as in t-shirts but made from polyester instead of cotton, usually with ribs or some other structure rather than being flat. Tricot is the generic name for thin knitted fabrics, i think.

Polypropylene... Haven't really tried it so i don't know how it compares to merino wool, polyester or polyolefine. Later this winter i plan to thoroughly test viafil (polyolefine) underware instead of my tried and tested polyester garments. They're expensive, which has delayed my testing, and i'm curious to see if they live up to the hype.

...and please remember that american english is far from native to me...

KLeth
2005-10-11, 01:37
Last winter we did a bit of hiking in northern Sweden.
I dressed with HH Prowool underwear, Polartec Powerstretch and then a windproof layer (I prefer GoreTex for windproofing). The days we didn't move much, I also wore a standard fleece beneath my jacket.
My girlfriend is so fond of her HH Prowool underwear that she used it most days, evenings and nights on our "summer" hike.

weekender
2005-10-11, 15:44
Hi KLeth

Have you ever heard of Norrona clothing ive seen some trousers i like and wondered if you have heard any good/bad reports on them, they are the ARKTIS mountain pant.

weekender

Sgathak
2005-10-11, 18:21
"Have you ever heard of Norrona clothing"

They have a cool website - very bandwidth intensive - but cool.

http://www.norrona.no

blackdog
2005-10-11, 18:33
They have a cool website - very bandwidth intensive - but cool.
Beautiful, but totally impossible to navigate with my browsers. Form before function. I hope they don't design their products the same way...

Iceman
2005-10-11, 23:55
ditto .

KLeth
2005-10-12, 02:30
Hi KLeth
Have you ever heard of Norrona clothing ive seen some trousers i like and wondered if you have heard any good/bad reports on them, they are the ARKTIS mountain pant.
weekender
Jup, bad website but unfortunately I've seen worse :smile: But luckily we haven't produced it.
Norrøna Arctic Mountain Pants (http://www.norrona.no/web/products.nsf/AppWPByDescription/47204416ecd5ed35c1256b4f007e47a4)
Norrøna is a well known Scandinavian producers of quality outdoor clothing. I haven't been able to find any remarks on the Arctic Mountain pants, when I searched the Swedish, Norweigan and Danish outdoor forums for reviews and comments on the Arctic Mountain pants. This could be bad and this could be good! But at least people who have bought them haven't complained very much . . . . :rolleyes:

My oppinion is that they look good and it looks like they have a nice fit - A concern is that they are 100% pure cotton and therefore might not be as durable as one might desire. Also I'm concerned about how stiff they (especially the seems) might become if they get drenched (many trousers gets stiff when soaked and it's hard to get to try them soaked before buying them), but they are very light so this might not be a real problem. They have Velco at the ankles and I don't like my trousers to have Velcro at the ankle since it picks up dirt, grass, leaves and other stuff unless I'm wearing gaitors, which is too hot for me in summers.

Personally I swear to FjällRäven equipment and clothing :biggrin: especially their G1000 (http://www.fjallraven.se/en/g1000/) trousers e.g. :love:
Barents (http://www.fjallraven.se/autumn0506/en/81200.htm)
Greenland (http://www.fjallraven.se/autumn0506/en/81200.htm)
Vidda (http://www.fjallraven.se/autumn0506/en/85780.htm)
For next season hikes I'm wondering wether to try Tierra Couloir (http://www.tierra.se/tierra/Products/Product.asp?ItemId=1168&SectionId=1322) Softshell trousers

blackdog
2005-10-12, 03:31
KLeth, take a look at this swedish page:
http://www.idefixteko.se/open_produkter/default.asp?plats=1313
What do you say about the models and materials? ...and the prices?

I used T&P Allround pants on my trip to south america. Made from Toray, a 65% polyester / 35 % cotton fabric with a teflon coating. Nice ones, but they're not made for hiking, just every day use. ITAB also sells Viafil underware.

KLeth
2005-10-12, 03:41
KLeth, take a look at this swedish page:
http://www.idefixteko.se/open_produkter/default.asp?plats=1313
What do you say about the models and materials? ...and the prices?

I used T&P Allround pants on my trip to south america. Made from Toray, a 65% polyester / 35 % cotton fabric with a teflon coating. Nice ones, but they're not made for hiking, just every day use. ITAB also sells Viafil underware.

Nice, simple and effective website!
Very cheap for trousers with a configuration like that, models and materials looks very good too :smile: But it is quite expensive and troublesome to get shipments to Denmark or anywhere else in the world :bawling: