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Turk
2005-11-20, 23:38
Well, Christmas is fast approaching and since it is just my 3 yr old daughter
and I, I've been pondering what I might like from her to unwrap under the tree.

I could really use some solid advice before making this purchase.

What I am looking for is the pros and cons of the Hennessey Undercover and
under pad vs. the JRB No Sniveller or Nest Underquilt.

Can anyone tell me the weight of the JRB No Sniveller or Nest?

Has anyone used both systems and can offer any personal reviews?

Most importantly, can anyone give me a good approximation of how much
warmth each system will add?

Lastly can anyone tell me which system will pack to the smallest volume.

I am restricted to a cylindrical package no more than 5" in diameter. This
means that I already would have to restuff the JRB products in a custom
stuff sack.

Your thoughts and advice would be most appreciated.

SGT Rock
2005-11-21, 00:19
Well, Christmas is fast approaching and since it is just my 3 yr old daughter
and I, I've been pondering what I might like from her to unwrap under the tree.
I would reccomend a stuffed animal. Maybe a bear.


I could really use some solid advice before making this purchase.

What I am looking for is the pros and cons of the Hennessey Undercover and
under pad vs. the JRB No Sniveller or Nest Underquilt.

Can anyone tell me the weight of the JRB No Sniveller or Nest?
I don't know if a 3YO would really appriciate it. I have a no-sniveler though. I haven't used the nest. My no-sniveler is 18 ounces, but as I understand it they are now about 20 ounces.


Has anyone used both systems and can offer any personal reviews?

Most importantly, can anyone give me a good approximation of how much
warmth each system will add?
http://hikinghq.net/hammock/jacks_quilt.html
They are both about the same for adding warmth. It just makes a diference for camp wear and hammock entry.


Lastly can anyone tell me which system will pack to the smallest volume.

I am restricted to a cylindrical package no more than 5" in diameter. This
means that I already would have to restuff the JRB products in a custom
stuff sack.
I think you can do it with a 5" Diameter. My No-Sniveler and my Hungry Howie Quilt both fit in a 7"x15" so if you can get a 5"x8" you should have about the same interior volume.

Your thoughts and advice would be most appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Just Jeff
2005-11-21, 01:20
I haven't used the HH set, but you can find several test reviews on BGT:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/mfr_reviews/Hennessy
A little more than halfway down.

Any my JRB review on BGT:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/mfr_reviews/Jacks%20R%20Better
Last item on the page.

An observation:
The HH uses open-cell foam and silnylon, whereas the JRB uses down...which means that the HH will still insulate when wet, but the JRB will lose much of its insulation value if it's wet.

Also, JRBs now come with overstuff, so they're running around 22 oz now, I think. Don't forget that the JRB is also a camp garment, so you can leave an insulation layer at home.

I've heard that the Super Shelter has a very optimistic temp rating, but like I said I haven't used one. Maybe the BGT reviews will be more precise about it, and the manufacturer's comment mentions extra padding that should have been sent with the tests...that should increase the warmth some.

Turk
2005-11-21, 01:22
thanks Rock, much appreciated!

The no Sniveller was my first choice, but I wanted to hear some arguments
in other directions. Little pricey, but hopefully worth it.

I just hope that rain and condensation are not a problem. I have a hard time
believing that underquilts don't pick up alot of moisture.


p.s. - I was a bit unclear in first statement of my previous post.. But what
I meant was, I was looking for a gift I could buy myself and put under the
tree "from my daughter". It's likely the only gift I'll have under there, and
she will get a kick out of giving it to me ... provided she can tear herself
away from her own mountain of presents. Her own hammock is
going to have to wait a few yrs ;)

Just Jeff
2005-11-21, 01:34
I just hope that rain and condensation are not a problem. I have a hard time believing that underquilts don't pick up alot of moisture.

Mine sticks out a bit more than the hammock, so I have to be more careful to make sure my tarp covers it. Other than that it's not a problem. Of course, I haven't used it in the extreme cold, either (only 20 F so far).


Her own hammock is going to have to wait a few yrs ;)

Why?! My kids have their own hammocks! Of course, I still slept with my youngest in my hammock until he was 5...it'll probably be lighter and easier to just let her sleep in yours with you. :)

peter_pan
2005-11-21, 10:49
I haven't used the HH set, but you can find several test reviews on BGT:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/mfr_reviews/Hennessy
A little more than halfway down.

Any my JRB review on BGT:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/mfr_reviews/Jacks%20R%20Better
Last item on the page.

An observation:
The HH uses open-cell foam and silnylon, whereas the JRB uses down...which means that the HH will still insulate when wet, but the JRB will lose much of its insulation value if it's wet.

Also, JRBs now come with overstuff, so they're running around 22 oz now, I think. Don't forget that the JRB is also a camp garment, so you can leave an insulation layer at home.

I've heard that the Super Shelter has a very optimistic temp rating, but like I said I haven't used one. Maybe the BGT reviews will be more precise about it, and the manufacturer's comment mentions extra padding that should have been sent with the tests...that should increase the warmth some.


FTR, The total weight of the Nest and No Sniveller each is 20.5 oz, 800pf down.

Pan

Seeker
2005-11-21, 14:46
i just sent away for mine... due to operator headspace and timing, i forgot to activate the extremely complex 'postal service letter carrier alert' feature of the mailbox, and due to not getting any mail saturday, my letter didn't go out. (i forgot to put up the flag). still, should be coming soon, and i'm psyched... no more foam pad! (i hope).

turk, i've never heard anything bad about the jrb underquilt. would imagine it rolls up much smaller than the hennessy foam thing...

i agree with jeff about gettting your daughter out. even if it's car camping, it'll be fun... also gives you a whole new appreciation for being out on your own, when you can walk as far as YOU want and not have to bribe anyone to take another step...