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incognito
2006-01-28, 15:22
I originally showed this stove in the thread "stove for tea candle lovers" but deleted the thread because of poor quality pics. and wanted to double check specifications.

I recalibrated my triple beam scale. The original weight was 4 grams total weight and after recalibration it has gained weight, it is now 5 grams.

Burner weighs 1 gram

Pot stand weighs 4 grams

One nickle (U.S. currency) weighs 5 grams (3/16 of an ounce)(pictured)

It will boil 2 cups of water in 10 min. 15 sec.

1/2 ounce (15 ml.) of denatured alcohol used.

Test were performed in the kitchen laboratory :biggrin:

Pot used was a 5 1/2 diameter aluminum that has a max of 3 cups water.

70 degree air and water temperature.

Two tea candle containers were used to make stove. Holes drilled first,(one large and 8 small (pictured) then assembled.

I have given it a name "TC5" (Tea Candle 5 grams)

What name would you have given it? (feedback)

I sent one to Mutinousdoug for testing along with the "Dual Flame"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/teacandlestove011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/teacandlestove010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/teacandlestove009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/teacandlestove002.jpg

Seeker
2006-01-29, 01:22
IRFSS, or IRFS2, for Incognito's Really Friggin' (ok, the other one) Small Stove...

god, that is beautiful... i gotta make one and try it... what's that potstand made from? i'm currently using a large catfood can, with cutouts, for a stand... what's the stove top to pot bottom distance?

oh. and where do you put in the dilithium crystals?

dropkick
2006-01-29, 06:47
The scorching red hot fiery inferno of everlasting fire teacandle stove.

The rapid oxidation teacandle stove.

The wildfire teacandle stove.

I like my 1st idea best - rapid oxidation might be a little too brainy/pencil neck geeky and wildfire sounds kind of commercial.

blackdog
2006-01-29, 15:45
What about teaWickle? I mean, it is a wick in a candle...

Salvelinus
2006-01-29, 18:42
The whole thing weighs less then a NICKEL? Geez--that's amazing!

It will boil 2 cups with 1/2 oz fuel? What kind of pot did you use--I read the dimensions above, it sounds like the Antigravity Gear 3-cup pot.

Edit: BTW--I like "TC5." Sounds technical, but easy to say.

Iceman
2006-01-29, 19:51
How about the ITSY BITSY TEENY WEENY TEALIGHT STOVE ?

oops56
2006-01-29, 22:44
Ok Incognito you just had do somethig like this just to tease use well i just made mine but i put pumice stone in mine fiberglass on the side 1/2 oz. denatured alcohol 16 oz. water cold hot in 7 min. boil 10-1/2 min total burn 12 min.the pot 2 in. up off the stove
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/sp3.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/sp2.jpg

JPW
2006-01-30, 15:24
Great idea!! Got to try this one. My pot stand is a large tuna can with holes all around ( two rows ) made with a hole punch.

oops56
2006-01-30, 18:58
New type pot stand its a stove pipe reducer alum for gas hot water heater and its a 4x3 cut down to suite to fit depends on your flame height

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/pstand.jpg

incognito
2006-02-16, 13:30
OOOPS 56

u wasted no time in trying this one, anyone else out there tried to make one?

This is the lightest one in the universe :biggrin:

Mutinousdoug
2006-02-16, 19:39
Here’s another quick report on Incognito’s stoves. This time on his TC5 tea candle stove.

Refer to the attachment that I hope accompanys this post.

The tests are numbered for identification only; the number is not necessarily the order in which the tests were run.
The pot-stand labled: “pierced” is the one Incognito included with his stove. I concluded early on (likely in error) that a hardware cloth stand would be more efficient, so I first made one 1.5” tall to simulate the height of a soda can pot stand and another 1.38” tall to duplicate the height of Incognito’s pierced metal one.

Tests 1-3, I undertook before Incognito sent me instructions directing me to pull the wick out .5” above the top of the stove. I guess they prove the importance or sensitivity of wick placement.

Next, I conducted tests 4-5 and 7-8. Note that the pierced metal pot stand not only boiled water where the 1.5” hardware cloth stand did not, but the burn time using the pierced metal stand was extended by 3 minutes.
I added a windscreen to tests #6 and #9 not for a windscreen (since this was all done indoors) but as a reflector and was rewarded with a quicker boil and quicker burnout. The difference between the pierced metal and the hardware cloth stands was almost eliminated.

Tests 10-11 confirmed that Incognito’s initial pot height of 1.38” was more efficient than 1.5” and that the pierced metal stand itself was doing something to retard the burn and make it last longer.

The water where I do most of my camping is snowmelt and is probably 10 degrees colder than my tap water at 54o f and 30o f colder than the temp these tests were run, so this little stove would have to work harder to boil coffee in the morning, but an actual boil time of over 1 minute should get it close.
Hard boiling an egg is going to be a challenge.

JPW
2006-02-20, 11:23
Made one but not tested yet. I used a push pin to make 24 holes that are smaller than the ones pictured. Will try it out with different stands and tell you what happened.

incognito
2006-02-21, 22:18
Added a new feature to my stoves.

It's an indicator wire that gives me a visual ability to know if the fuel is burning when used in daytime bright light conditions.

Here you see it glowing red hot, easy to see, is especially nice when fuel is almost out and is burning at a low height.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/microcombo027.jpg

If you would like a 6 inch length of this wire to try on your stove indicate so by cutting and pasting my signiture line nothing ventured nothing gained in a quick post and then in a PM personal message to me. I will then give you my address and all you have do is send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I will send you one piece 6 inches long. That should be sufficient to fit your stove. Connect it in some fashion so that it is inline with the flame of your stove, the flame has to touch it to get it red hot, you know what I'm gettin at :)


The stone you see the stove sitting on is believed to have been used by pre-historic inhabitants of north america for utilitarian purposes, placing nuts in the depresions to hold them in place while hitting them with a hammer stone of some type or maybe to round off the end of a stick that was used for digging, scrapping skins etc. Alittle piece of ancient history. :)

incognito
2006-03-09, 13:33
Low pressure, side jet, tea candle stove.

10ml fuel cap. 1 cup water, boil time 7 min.

One cup of tea comming up!!!!!!!!

It fires up just like a supper cat.

The stove is sitting on top of a vegetable can and has a stainless steel cup on top of the stove.

With this one added we now have an awesome threesome, open flame, pressurized and low pressure.

The fact sheet that Mutinousdoug posted has some really interesting stuff in it, go back up in the thread and read it again, it sure is worth the second read, thanks again Mutinous, you do good work.

Has anyone seen a working stove that is smaller and lighter than these tea candle ones? One that will boil 2 cups wawa?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tcandle004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tcandle006.jpg

incognito
2006-03-11, 10:25
The water where I do most of my camping is snowmelt and is probably 10 degrees colder than my tap water at 54o f and 30o f colder than the temp these tests were run, so this little stove would have to work harder to boil coffee in the morning, but an actual boil time of over 1 minute should get it close.
Hard boiling an egg is going to be a challenge.

I fired up the TC5 this morning, 1 cup water room temp withe one medium egg in it, brought it up to boil, simmered for 1/2 min,flame out,cozyed it for 10 min, out came a hard boiled egg.

Deadeye was dead-on. We know who wears the apron in his abode.
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incognito
2006-03-11, 19:35
iT HAS GONE FROM A THREESOME TO A FOURSOME

mADE THIS ONE UP TO USE IN THE COOKOFF COMPETITION :rolleyes:

Dual Flame Competition Grade :damnmate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tc5dualflame003.jpg

oops56
2006-03-11, 23:10
Incognito and everybody you are going to love this my tea candle stove is a pressure one its a little taller by 1/8 i did this so it could hold 1 oz. fuel.First road test 3/4 oz. denatured alcohol 3 oz. rice start to boil at 3 min. burn time 15 min the rice was almost done plus little burnt on bottom of pot inside. This can be fixed well do one more time post pictures. I hope this don't disqualifies me but i did use two candle tins???
Ok the secound try i put 1 oz fuel in got a flare up forgot the plug for the fell hole put out start up again 15 min. burn put in 3 oz. rice when stop burning just left it there with cover on for 15 or so min. put in bowl its was done no brown burnt ones. How did i do it here hows put a cloth in the bottom and cover lid on top so cloth dont float [I GOT RICE I GOT RICE] p. s. dam now i got to eat it
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/tearice.jpg

oops56
2006-03-12, 01:39
My quarter worth
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/tea2.jpg

oops56
2006-03-13, 20:00
ok its monday where is all the rice???

lucky luke
2006-03-14, 04:33
high oops,

i guess he ate it along with the chop sticks... those are gone too :biggrin:

greets
lucky luke

JPW
2006-03-14, 15:51
Got a 17 min. burn time using a pot stand/wind screen made from a Blue Diamond Almond can, two rows of holes punched with a hole punch. I'am going to make another pot stand from a tuna can to try and get the flame closer to the pot. But what I got works ok, I cooked a full package of instant refried beans last night.

Seeker
2006-03-14, 17:09
JPW,

17 minutes!? that's awesome... on how much fuel? a half ounce?

i did something similar over the weekend with a small catfood can... two rows of holes, 3/4 ounce of fuel... got a boil in about 4 minutes, plus about 20 seconds burning before that to let the fuel get hot (otherwise the flame would have gone out). but it burned out in about 6 minutes, and like i said, used 3/4 ounce of fuel vs the half ounce in my ion... so i'm still punching/drilling/testing...

i love the ion, but hate that i need a pot stand too...would like to find something made from one can, like i described above, with similar efficiency to the ion... (and people in hell want ice water... i know... )

incognito
2006-03-14, 21:36
JPW, glad to see you got one working!!!!!! cute little things they are.

The 24 little holes extend the burn time nicely.

Seeker-----awhile back I made a suppercat per instructions, worked exactly like it should, got the 4 min boil no problem. But here's the kicker!!! just as the instructions caution everyone that the stove will stick to the bottom of the pot if the pot is dirty, it sure did stick on my first test run. I did two test burns, stuck two times.

I was watching for it to happen and was prepared by having a commercial oven tray under it to catch it if it fell off. Sure enough, came off with still some fuel left in it and set the tray ablaze. My pot had a thin layer of old soot from previous burns. The alcohol softens the soot and sticks to it. Just like the instructions say also the stove deposits alcohol on the pots bottom so that if the stove does'nt stick you still have to be careful of the burning alcohol on the bottom of your pot.

I opted not to chance using the supercat because of that happening. Someday I'll do more burns with it having a clean bottomed pot. Even with a clean bottom it still may have a tendency to stick to it because of the liquid alcohol forming a seal of a type around the edge of the can. The instructions did say that it will happen if you remove your pot before all the fuel is consumed, it recomended that you slide the pot sideways to eliminate the posibility of sticking.(something on that order)

Best thing to do is let all the fuel burn itself out, then pick up the pot.

I was totaly impressed with it otherwise!!!!!!

Seeker
2006-03-15, 11:11
hmm... maybe i got lucky then, because it didn't stick... i was using a titanium pot (msr titan kettle). but thanks for the warning... maybe i'll stick with the ion... the difference in weight between the supercat alone and the ion w/potstand is about a half ounce, if that.

incognito
2006-03-15, 12:54
the next time I try the SC I'll use a file to make some V notches around the cans top edge, maybe it will help release/prevent the sticking.

Seeker
2006-03-15, 14:04
good idea... just have to be careful not to cut all the way through the rolled edge, or it will get a lot weaker... hmmm... maybe i'll try this at home sometime in the next few evenings... it's finally warmed up enough to work out in the garage at night... thanks.

JPW
2006-03-16, 13:21
Incignito, I didn't mesure the fuel, just filled the TC5. Now Iam tinkering with Hobo Stoves. I like the free fuel ! Looking for the right can to make a solo wood burner.Will probably end up using ideas from several stoves. Check out www.trailgear.org and www.homemadegear.com

incognito
2006-03-22, 20:05
Added an internal support ring to give the burner rigididty.

It will support 15 pounds no problem.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tc5oven.jpg

incognito
2006-04-08, 23:56
Found an anodized aluminum mesh material for a potstand. It reduced the weight by 1/2 gram whooo wheee nokkin off them grams, maybe it's gettin too light. :bawling:
The case to carry it in has a hinged lid, this little thing keeps lookin better and better. What can we do next to improve it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TC5potstand001.jpg

incognito
2006-05-16, 18:37
Take a look here http://www.freewebs.com/jasonklass/fiberglassclothstove.htm to see a new addition to the world of tea candle wick stoves.

The use of wick material is catching on!!!!!!!!!!

If you Snooze You Lose.

Anybody here been making any stoves????????????

Where did all the STOVIES go?????????????

:elefant: :elefant: :elefant:

oops56
2006-05-16, 21:28
I got lots of stoves got a new shed putting up shelves for stoves made some new ones been fixing some get some picture up later of them all. But for now this should keep your interest use bottom for my oven

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_frypan.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/frypan.jpg)
ok this is the shed i got for my stoves 10 by 12 been building shelves for my stoves got 2-3 in already more to go there are 6 more pictures to put got to do one at a time be back
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_shed.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/shed.jpg)
stoves
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_shop2.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/shop2.jpg)
more stoveshttp://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_shop3.jpg

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/shop3.jpg)
more
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_shope4.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/shope4.jpg)
stoves more to put inhttp://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_shope5.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/shope5.jpg)

Here is a stove that i bout site unseen cheap this before the after coming it is a Optimus Campingo 2
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_campingo2.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/campingo2.jpg)
I built me a electrolysis to remove rust took 24 hours to do the 3 days clean and paint job it burns coleman fuel this should keep you all talking thinking and wishing :biggrin: :biggrin:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_nuburner.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/nuburner.jpg)

incognito
2006-05-16, 23:02
So thats what you have been doing Oops!!!

I'm totally impressed :fisheye: :fisheye: :fisheye:

It looks like a stove museum. I'm envious!!!

Who belongs to the face behind the bottom of your oven? What oven is that for?

Star a new thread and tell us about the electrolysis unit you built to remove all that rust. You did a fantastic job of refinishing that stove. :biggrin:

Streamweaver
2006-05-17, 12:07
In the first photo there is something sticking out of the center hole.Is this a wick of some sort? If so,what did you use? Nice stove!! Thanx!

incognito
2006-05-17, 18:09
Streamweaver, yes, it's a wick made of fiberlass cloth.


fiberglass cloth is available at your local automotive supply store. Get some, make yourself a stove.

Streamweaver
2006-05-19, 12:18
Streamweaver, yes, it's a wick made of fiberlass cloth.


fiberglass cloth is available at your local automotive supply store. Get some, make yourself a stove.

Cool! Thanx alot! I made a stove like yours yesterday and it worked pretty well .Next Ill get the wick material and see how it goes.

incognito
2006-05-19, 23:55
You've made one Streamweaver!!!!!! You won't be able to make Just one hee hhee

I've got a few more styles of side burners coming up.

Who is this masked man? :biggrin:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_frypan.jpg

incognito
2006-05-20, 09:39
Is it Gabby Hayes?

Iceman
2006-05-20, 11:57
What is that fuzzy stuff in the picture? Is it that fiberglass cloth you were all talking about?

Hey that brings up an interesting question...

Has anyone here ever caught their beard, moustache, or hair on fire from playing around with their stoves? :biggrin:

Streamweaver
2006-05-22, 12:58
Who is this masked man? Is it Jack Elam?? LOL Just kiddin man,just kiddin! :biggrin:

john pickett
2006-05-22, 16:00
"Has anyone here ever caught their beard, moustache, or hair on fire from playing around with their stoves? "

My daughter singed her hair playing with a candle once, but she was only 8 years old. What's your experience? Anything you want to own up to? :damnmate:
John Pickett

Lanthar
2006-05-22, 17:51
"Has anyone here ever caught their beard, moustache, or hair on fire from playing around with their stoves? "

My daughter singed her hair playing with a candle once, but she was only 8 years old. What's your experience? Anything you want to own up to? :damnmate:
John Pickett
Once, during my boy scout career, doing flint and steel with charcloth and a twine birds-nest... while blowing, I didn't notice that I had got the tiny bit of flam going that indicates 'okay, put the nest in the fire'... anyhow, I gave one last blow and when I stopped the entire nest burst into a fireball that wrapped flame around my hands and singed all the hair on my hands and about halfway up / down my forearms... didn't actually burn me, but I yelped real loud in surprise and everyone though it was funny as hell (at least, after finding out I was all right)

Truth be told, I spent most of my boy scout career with very little hair on the back of my hands... never actually got burned, but had lots of singed hair

incognito
2006-05-22, 21:33
Once when I was burning some magnesium, I tried taking a picture of it, got the picture just as it was erupting into an inferno. Burned everything in a 20 mile radius. Here's the picture!!!!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-4/1174156/nuke-bomb1.jpg



I"m just kidding :elefant: :elefant: :elefant:

Post Script: Lots of hand hair has gone the way of the flames, this I will admit!!!

Iceman
2006-05-22, 23:35
"Has anyone here ever caught their beard, moustache, or hair on fire from playing around with their stoves? "

My daughter singed her hair playing with a candle once, but she was only 8 years old. What's your experience? Anything you want to own up to? :damnmate:
John Pickett

Nothing really major yet... I deserve a good scorching.. Last April I reached over my homemade alcohol stove I was using on the hood of my hunting rig, to heat water for coffee. The stove had just finished burning, and I was pouring water... I exteded further to put my kettle down when I heard this 'sizzling' sound. My stove stand had melted into the underside of my forearm. Neato round scar one year later... The amazing thing here is that it did not hurt until a few days later...

My brother used to spray lighter fluid on our hands and light it for fun. As I recall, it would burn off and go out, without injury. Someone else try this and tell me how it works...

I fell into a firepit as a child, my step dad was about two seconds behind me (Hmmm, maybe he pushed me now that I think about it...) He pulled me out, and brushed the coals off my arms without too many little blisters....

I have been lucky, no major disfigurements yet...

incognito
2006-05-25, 14:27
My brother used to spray lighter fluid on our hands and light it for fun. As I recall, it would burn off and go out, without injury. Someone else try this and tell me how it works...

Now that you are older, try it again and tell us if it still works. :dancing2:

incognito
2006-06-05, 23:27
Take a look at this internal pot stand made from aluminum venetian blinds that fits inside of a T candle stove.

pot stand (http://www.practicalbackpacking.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4947#post4947)

also this one, better yet

pot stand (http://www.practicalbackpacking.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4853#post4853)

Lanthar
2006-06-06, 17:54
nicely done... btw, I'm glad you explained about that glove in the background... :confused:

KLeth
2006-06-07, 01:49
The glove in the back looks like a waterfilter . . . . . I guess :)
http://www.hikinghq.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1654