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incognito
2006-02-17, 00:22
Did a search for some info on AP trail access in Maryland and came up with this site http://www.patc.net/resources/pa/pa1-03.pdf (http://) (this did'nt work for me, hope it works for you) :confused:

Read the second paragraph on the first page, are there a lot of TP flowers along the AP trail as indicated in this article?

I'll be going to MD to do a three day hike in April. It'l be my 1st time on the AP trail. Hope to have a pleasant experience.

Thank Goodness for volunteers. My thanks goes out to all that help keep the trails in good order. Thank You Very Much!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dropkick
2006-02-17, 01:09
Don't know why but after I took off the http it worked. (caution: it is a 20 page pdf file)

www.patc.net/resources/pa/pa1-03.pdf

incognito
2006-02-17, 20:17
Is there a way to cut and paste a paragraph that is contained in a pdf file?

or an entire page and export it to this forum?

don't know nothin bout pdf's :confused:

Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!

dropkick
2006-02-18, 02:28
I just tried it. My version of acrobat (pdf reader) has a button labled select text I clicked it and was then able to highlight text, and copy to clipboard.

(pasted selection from pdf)
The constant erection of legions of tents
has left every flat area near the rocks totally
void of vegetation, and soil compaction
continues to discourage or destroy any new
growth. Dead and downed trees have long
been cut up for firewood, making smal live
saplings fair game for those looking for
wood to burn. Remnants of past fires have
also rendered the soil sterile in many spots.
Trash litters the cliffs, the woods, and old
fire pits. Toilet paper “flowers” can be
found behind almost every tree and bush.
In short, we are loving this beautiful area to death.

countryplus
2006-02-18, 12:12
The select text button on the toolbar in Acrobat looks like a capital T with a dotted box next to it.

incognito
2006-02-18, 12:24
TO BOTH OF YOU :adore: :adore: :adore:

PDF's Conquered :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Something Ventured Something Gained

Iceman
2006-02-18, 20:18
The constant erection...
This is starting to sound like an ad for Cialis...

Sorry, some times I can't control myself. :biggrin:
I apologize.

camp
2006-03-02, 03:57
Hi dera friend
Hygiene foods are normally used for maintain good health, these kind of foodis realy very good, and anoter way to maintain health is taking exercise regularly.

KLeth
2006-03-02, 07:05
I get so tired when I see toiletpaper and remains lying right next to the optimal water-pickup spot, in the middle of a perfect camp site, on the trail, right next to the trail or on top of a view point.
IS it really THAT hard to walk 20-50m longer and at least put a rock or branch on top ?

It's annoying to climb a point with a view, pack out the stove, start cooking and then you find that 50cm from where you are resting, some fool has placed a huge pile of s...e - Enjoy your meal!
It's most certainly not people like you guys, but it annoys me.

We always burry our own latrine in an arrea where people normally wouldn't camp.

camp
2006-03-03, 01:28
Hi friend
There is lot of need of vegetation in human's life, and soil compaction continues to discourage or destroy any new growth. Dead and downed trees have long been cut up for firewood, so dear friend how is this possible to took hygiene food, so keep roping of your trees in this scenario, go with trees.

dropkick
2006-03-03, 01:42
Hi friend
There is lot of need of vegetation in human's life, and soil compaction continues to discourage or destroy any new growth. Dead and downed trees have long been cut up for firewood, so dear friend how is this possible to took hygiene food, so keep roping of your trees in this scenario, go with trees.
camp,
Most of us (at this website) use alcohol stoves for cooking, so we don't need to use firewood. If you are interested try this link:

http://zenstoves.net/Stoves.htm

Where are you from?

KLeth
2006-03-03, 03:41
Maybe the area should be turned into a nationalpark with some restrictions. E.g. The Swedish Abisko National Park has restrictions to where you are allowed to make fires and camp inside the park. The camp area is then pretty worn down but most times we've been there it's been nice enough. Actually you're not even allowed to leave the trails in most of the park. But the park is very very nice and not worn down nor littered.

blackdog
2006-03-03, 07:32
Maybe the area should be turned into a nationalpark with some restrictions. E.g. The Swedish Abisko National Park has restrictions to where you are allowed to make fires and camp inside the park.
See the official Abisko rules (http://www.internat.environ.se/index.php3?main=/documents/nature/engpark/regulations/regdok/abisko/abiskoreg.htm) at the Swedish Environmental Protection Agency.

camp
2006-03-03, 09:17
Hi dear friend
Last week I went to an area in which bird flu infection have took place already, lot of person was suffering from bird flu infection, please tell me something about bird flu infection, is bird flu and H5N1 are same kind of problem. So make me help please.

incognito
2006-03-03, 22:41
My friend Camp!!!!!!

The avian influenza A (H5N1) epizootic (animal outbreak) in Asia and parts of Europe is not expected to diminish significantly in the short term. It is likely that H5N1 infection among birds has become endemic in certain areas and that human infections resulting from direct contact with infected poultry will continue to occur. So far, the spread of H5N1 virus from person-to-person has been rare and has not continued beyond one person. No evidence for genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza A virus genes has been found; however, the epizootic in Asia continues to pose an important public health threat.

Stay on the Hygiene trail, last week you were on the wrong trail, turn around a make tracks in the other direction. Don't eat the meat, everything tastes like chicken nowa days. :fisheye: Yuk!!!!!! Good luck my friend!!!!!!!!



To all that have been on the Appalachian Trail, are there "toiletpaper flowers" everywhere aong the trail? I get the impression that the AT is a supper highway for hikers and trail hygeine is not the best. Set me straight please!!!!

juni
2006-03-04, 16:10
Hi friend
Last week you went to an area in which skin infection have took place already,there were lot of person was suffering from skin infection, and i want to know about skin infection. it is very harmfull problem my friend sugested me to take special care of it.

blackdog
2006-03-04, 18:54
Japan Institute for Pharmacovigilance warns that Tamiflu might cause behaviour changes (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25149-1872166,00.html).

There's also an article on Sambucol (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/healthandbeauty/news/s/199/199493_elderberry_extract_a_possible_cure_for_bird _flu.html), (black elderberry extract) that you should see.

NOTE: Read the above links with a pinch of salt or two, ok? ...and no, I don't sell the stuff. There's enough of salesman talk around anyway. Fear sells, apparently.

dropkick
2006-03-04, 23:58
Just saw a news show on t.v. (maybe 60 minutes?) where they were warning about conmen selling fake or outdated Tamiflu on the internet.
According to the show there have been some very bad reactions to it.
Also as Tamiflu is a perscription drug it's illegal in the U.S. to buy it from sites like the one above.
I don't support the price gouging and price fixing of the drug companies, but I wouldn't buy this drug off the net.
Buyer beware.

KLeth
2006-03-05, 15:53
Just saw a news show on t.v. (maybe 60 minutes?) where they were warning about conmen selling fake or outdated Tamiflu on the internet. According to the show there have been some very bad reactions to it.
Also as Tamiflu is a perscription drug it's illegal in the U.S. to buy it from sites like the one above. I don't support the price gouging and price fixing of the drug companies, but I wouldn't buy this drug off the net.
Buyer beware.
The latest updates from our main health-department is that Tamiflu has very little or no effect at all against H5N1.
On the other hand H5N1 is not very contagious and nobody can predict how it will work, infect or what will help against it if it mutates. But also nobody knows how contagious nor how deadly it will be.
Wash your hands, don't eat dead birds nor cats without proper preparation (cook it well), don't inhale dried bird-droppings and avoid unneccesary contact with birds. Most of all - DON'T PANICK!!!!

juni
2006-03-06, 01:24
Hi friend
Racing on foot and exercise used for maintain good health, these kind of foodis realy very good, and anoter way to maintain health is taking exercise regularly. so keep concentrate on it. health is wealth every body knows, so keep cocentrate on it care fully.

juni
2006-03-06, 15:38
Hi friend
Bird flu is very harmful dieses, so use tamiflu drug for it tamifli is an antiviral drug primarily invented for the purpose of treating influenza. Tamiflu can also prevent the onset of flu even if you have been exposed to people who have it. Tamiflu is the only drug that is effective in stopping the Avian/Bird Flu from spreading once exposed.

blackdog
2006-03-06, 17:07
Here's a quick quote from an article called "How Tamiflu Works" (http://health.howstuffworks.com/tamiflu3.htm) from HowStuffWorks (of all places):


With fears rising about a potential bird flu pandemic, it's not surprising that many Americans are thinking about keeping their own supply of the antiviral drug. But is it a good idea? Many health experts warn against the practice, saying that it's often difficult to know whether you have the flu or just a garden-variety cold, and taking Tamiflu too often could lead to the development of drug-resistant virus strains.

WHO, the World Health Organization, has more information on the avian influenza (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/avian_influenza/en/) and the variations of it. The article explains how the different variations get their "names", among other things.

Personally, i'm worried about the fact that Roche, the producer of Tamiflu, has donated so much of the drug to the UN and that so many governments have bought large stocks of it. If the drug induces personality changes in the patients, then the cure might be as dangerous as the disease, or even worse. I really hope i'm just paranoid about it.

dropkick
2006-03-06, 23:36
Hi friend
Bird flu is very harmful dieses, so use tamiflu drug for it tamifli is an antiviral drug primarily invented for the purpose of treating influenza. Tamiflu can also prevent the onset of flu even if you have been exposed to people who have it. Tamiflu is the only drug that is effective in stopping the Avian/Bird Flu from spreading once exposed. For more tamiflu information see, here you can get more- http://www.DELETED BY DK.aspx use it.
Obviously juni is a shill for the Tamiflu site.
The first post he\she did promoting it was deleted by admin (hi Dixiecritter).
But it was reposted.
I deleted the link in my post so if admin deletes the quoted post it will be gone again.
If I was admin I would kick juni from the site.

dropkick
2006-03-06, 23:42
Wash your hands, don't eat dead birds nor cats without proper preparation (cook it well), don't inhale dried bird-droppings and avoid unneccesary contact with birds.
Jeez... There goes my dinner plans..... :eating: And after I went to all that trouble catching the neighbors cat.


puke:

KLeth
2006-03-07, 01:46
Jeez... There goes my dinner plans..... :eating: And after I went to all that trouble catching the neighbors cat. :pukeNo problems super-dropkick, just cook it real well :biggrin: and wash your hands after preparing it. Here is a suggestion for the menu : Cat Tamales (http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.ascii-art/20000109_Cooking_With_John). You might want to use the Cat Stove for cooking :ridinghor

Regarding Tamiflu, you might as well take calcium tablets or vitamin pills. To be effective you have to be taking Tamiflu before the disease is contracted and latest research has shown, that at best Tamiflu is ineffictive against the latest strains of H5N1. Once again it's important to note that on a global scale there is currently a larger risk of being killed in a terrorist attack, by a criminal or even by lightning. The "ordinary" flu every year kills around 7-10 times the amount of people that in total have died of H5N1 and that is just in my tiny contry.

It's sad that a pathetic bunch of people, are trying to add to the fear and parasitize on scared and worried people for their own gain :secruity:

jasr
2006-03-07, 14:05
Hi dear friend
Last week you went to an area in which bird flu infection have took place already, lot of person was suffering from bird flu infection, is bird flu and H5N1 are same kind of problem. H5N1 and bird flu infection both are same, use tamiflu drug for bird flu infection, for more tamiflu infection visit here- http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3353-s-tamiflu.aspx this url has lot of information about bird flu infection, got information collection frome here.

dixicritter
2006-03-07, 16:46
Camp, juni and jasr... welcome to HikingHQ. Please feel free to discuss trail hygene in this thread and hiking related issues in other threads.

Seeker
2006-03-07, 20:34
Personally, i'm worried about the fact that Roche, the producer of Tamiflu, has donated so much of the drug to the UN and that so many governments have bought large stocks of it. If the drug induces personality changes in the patients, then the cure might be as dangerous as the disease, or even worse. I really hope i'm just paranoid about it.

no, i don't think your 'paranoia' is unwarranted... i have little respect for corporate leaders' ethics... i don't believe large corporations have the same feelings about right and wrong that us mere humans do... as long as there's a buck to be made, someone's willing to lie for it... i wish i'd found out more about all that Mefloquin i took in somalia (anti-malarial drug, linked to violent behavior in long-term users)... might explain a few things...

Take-a-knee
2006-03-07, 23:02
That Mefloquine is some nasty stuff. I've seen it affect people like steroids, it turns decent guys into real a--holes. it caused me to have really bizarre dreams, and I almost never remember my dreams. My wife couldn't understand why I was such a jerk when I'd get home from a deployment, and frankly, I couldn't either until I read about what I'd been required to ingest. I have no doubt it played a role in some of the murders at Ft. Bragg. Peoples' brain chemistry naturally will vary and some are a little closer to the "edge" than others.

Mutinousdoug
2006-03-08, 00:00
"Mefloquine"
WAY, way back in 1970, I was supposed to be taking anti-malarial drugs: Primaquine and something else. One was a little white, daily pill and another was a BIG-ass orange thing once a week that I didn't tolerate too well. The Medics said: "If it gives you the squirts, break it in half and take the second half tomorrow". Well, that second half rarely made it into my gullet after the trip into my jacket pocket. Result was I came down with Malaria about 3 months after returning from RVN. Took me two trips to the VA hospital for them to figure out I had a tropical desease in 1971. I was more worried about my hearing loss than PTSD or anti-malarial drug induced problems at the time.

Seeker
2006-03-08, 11:02
primaquine... that was the other one...

both nasty... and i think they have made a difference in my personality... not that i want to go out and kill people, but i'm not nearly as laid back as i used to be...

makes you wonder what the PB tablets did to those who took them. for you non-US veterans, they were an anti-nerve gas pill. their chemical name is about as long as the chemical name for various nerve agents, just with 'negating' ingrediants... i saw the chemistry on paper once, but i lost it after they started working through the equation, showing me how it worked... i wasn't good at chem.

Take-a-knee
2006-03-08, 12:08
Unfortunantly there is no good substitute for Primaquine. That is the drug that is given daily for two weeks when you return from a malarious area. It kills the dormant liver-phase of the malarial parasite. IE, you get bitten on your last day in country by a carrier mosquito and it will be several weeks before the life cycle of the parasite shows up and you've left country and stopped taking your prophylactic med. Yes, it causes mood swings and makes you feel bad. Doug, the pill you took was probably Chloroquine, it has a better safety record than the newer drugs, but some strains of malaria are resistant to it. Seeker, that PB stuff is REALLY scary, almost science-fiction scary. It is designed to preserve some of your acetylcholinesterase if you get exposed to a nerve agent, a little hair-of-the dog that bit you, I guess. Oh, but tyrants who are willing to lob that crap (nerve agent) on their own citizens (Kurds) are okay with some people.

Take-a-knee
2006-03-08, 12:38
For anyone who plans to hang his hammock in a malarial region, the antibiotic Doxycycline taken once daily should be all you'll need. It can cause the green-apple quick step in some and it will make you sunburn easier. Just check the WHO and CDC websites before you travel.