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dropkick
2006-02-19, 03:39
I know some people won't agree with me, but I think a shovel is a necessary peice of gear (for fire, toilet, etc.). But I haven't enjoyed carrying my heavy old army entrenching tool either.

Just got a gift of a Coghlans mini shovel (scan below - 3.5 floppy added for scale) it's lighter (1.5 lbs) and has a neat carry bag, but I can't help wondering with all the hightech lightweight material tools coming out lately if someone hasn't built something lighter and better.

I wouldn't want to go any smaller than this, as I think the size of this is pushing it.
Anyone know of a better option?
http://www.freeimghosting.com/images/dropkick/p1140334262538.jpg

Mutinousdoug
2006-02-19, 23:41
I know some people won't agree with me, but I think a shovel is a necessary peice of gear (for fire, toilet, etc.). But I haven't enjoyed carrying my heavy old army entrenching tool either.

Just got a gift of a Coghlans mini shovel (scan below - 3.5 floppy added for scale) it's lighter (1.5 lbs) and has a neat carry bag, but I can't help wondering with all the hightech lightweight material tools coming out lately if someone hasn't built something lighter and better.

I wouldn't want to go any smaller than this, as I think the size of this is pushing it.
Anyone know of a better option?


As noted in previous threads, I carry a short 19" OAL machete as a shovel/chopper. It weighs half what your folding e-tool weighs and works for me as a half-a$$ed shovel and a half-a$$ed hachet.YMMV
It's at least 25 years old and is Mexican in origin.

Turk
2006-02-20, 13:49
I wouldn't want to go any smaller than this, as I think the size of this is
pushing it. Anyone know of a better option?

Here are a couple options in Titanium.

For basic camp chores:
http://www.geocities.com/ekontario/spade-1.jpg
8" Spade shaped digger, comes with handle. Overall about 22" long
and 3.5" wide.
Available at: http://www.dutchguard.com/p-spade.html

Also worth looking at is this little guy. For snow camping and winter
activity.
http://www.geocities.com/ekontario/shovel_on_pack.jpg

full review here:
http://www.wildsnow.com/articles/indigo_shovel/indigo_shovel_review.html


some ideas anyway

JPW
2006-02-20, 15:33
You can make your own from 2" aluminum angle, all you need for tools is a hacksaw. First trim the end to a point, then cut it 6" long. About 3"down cut in 1" on each leg of the angle, then cut from the top down to the end of this cut. file or emery the edges, wrap duct tape around the handle ( put on extra duct tape to use later for minor repairs). Now you have a small trowel for cat holes or movine coals in a fire. Sorry I dont have a picture, not that computer literate.

Take-a-knee
2006-02-20, 21:49
The Glock E tool is the best of it's kind. It is about half of the weight of the GI issue tool and has a saw in the handle. I still wouldn't backpack it unless I absolutely had to. That little plastic shovel from Campmor will suffice for digging catholes. You can always just pack the poop out. I've found that oven bags are the most odor proof of any plastic bag. You have to double-bag to keep abrasion from wearing the oven bag.

dropkick
2006-02-21, 02:00
I want something larger than a trowel. I worry about fires, my own and other peoples, (got caught in a grass fire once).
The Coghlans mini shovel is really pushing it for me as far as size goes. If it didn't have the extension handle and the ability to lock at 90 so I can use it like a mattock, I really wouldn't like it.

Turks titanium shovel looks good (wish it was foldable and cheaper though).
For snow I have a SnowClaw from REI (15.00 now- was 12.99 when I got it).
- recommended by local ski patrol
www.rei.com/category/4500674.htm
http://www.freeimghosting.com/images/dropkick/p1140499672076.jpg

Take-a-knee, the Glock E tool looks really good, and more what I was thinking of. Can't find the weight listed on any of the sites I found though, they just say lightweight. Do you know?

KLeth
2006-02-21, 17:39
I've almost always used the classic tri-fold
http://shop.com.edgesuite.net/ccimg.shop.com/220000/225900/225929/products/11566471.jpg
It's multipurpose, not much heavier than the Glock but quite a lot cheaper.
The even older
http://www.armyvarer.dk/Graphics/Products/384_m.jpg
is a bit lighter, than the tri-fold, but not as compact (and a pain in the a.. when kneeling, jumping through windows and crawling in sewer pipes).
There also exists some non-folding shovels with wooden handle, e.g.
http://www.actiongear.com/agcatalog/pics/sfs611a.jpg
(Actiongear (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=7378&M5COPY%2Ectx=8205&M5%2Ectx=8205&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Camp%20Tools%20%2D%20Machetes%2C%2 0Hatchets%2C%20Shovels&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=shovel&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam))

Tried one of the little pottery folding spoons but it's impossible to use it in heavy gravel or if there are a lot of roots.

BTW. Dropkick, the Glock I know weighs 24 oz w.o. holster.

dropkick
2006-02-21, 20:58
http://www.armyvarer.dk/Graphics/Products/384_m.jpg
is a bit lighter, than the tri-fold, but not as compact (and a pain in the a.. when kneeling, jumping through windows and crawling in sewer pipes).
BTW. Dropkick, the Glock I know weighs 24 oz w.o. holster.
The old style entrenching tool was what I had and carried before I got the mini.
It's what I grew up with and also what I had in the army, Never liked the trifolds when they came out, had one fold up on me once.
-I can possibly see you climbing through a window (don't know why you'd be carrying a shovel though) but the sewers? Are you positive about the mad scientist thing?

The weight of the Glock is kind of saddening. because it weighs as much as my mini and only 1lb less than my old shovel. On the bright side though not buying one is probably saving me $50.00.

.....well saving is probably the wrong word, as I'm already trying to come up with another piece of gear to use the "found" money on. My Scottish ancestors are probably spinning in their graves.