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Turk
2006-07-19, 00:32
Well I finally got it.
My personal, ultimate hammocking bag.
oh baby.

Feathered Friends Rock Wren
Quantum Pertex inside and out, black for drying.
800+ down upgrade with 2oz overfill.
Customized full length zipper so it opens completely to a top quilt.
Extra long draw string at face closure and foot box with loops to make
it attach with standard JRB suspension system as an underquilt.
sooooooooo versatile.
have a look and drool ...
yes .... precious ..... my precious.
http://ehko.info/gear_rev_ff_rw_1.jpg
http://ehko.info/gear_rev_ff_rw_2.jpg
http://ehko.info/gear_rev_ff_rw_3.jpg
http://ehko.info/gear_rev_ff_rw_4.jpg
http://ehko.info/gear_rev_ff_rw_5.jpg

okay ... and now have a good laugh. :biggrin:
Ive been dubbed the Michelin Man's evil brother.
Michelin Man on the Subway sandwich diet... just
to name a few of the 'family rated' jokes:biggrin:
you be the judge
http://www.lasvegasgolf.com/images/features/michelin-man.jpg
http://ehko.info/mgl_rw_5.jpg


Yes... it does look rediculous now matter how you slice it.
But I'll be the one laughing when I am toasty warm in November.

Take-a-knee
2006-07-19, 00:53
That thing looks awesome! What is the loft with the overfill?

Could you please post a pic of the bag installed as an underquilt when you get a chance?

Turk
2006-07-19, 01:06
Could you please post a pic of the bag installed as an underquilt when you get a chance?

yes I definately will. I am kicking myself that it is raining so hard out. I had a feeling that the underquilt / top quilt combo would raise some interested eyebrows. If it is nice tomorrow I will get it on the hammock and post a pic after work.

i cant find a tape measure here ... off the top of my head I am looking at it and I would say that the loft ranges from 2" near the baffles to hmm.. 4-5 " near the middle of each checker. Just got the thing today. I put it on the postal scale as soon as I opened the box at the post office and they got 27.1 oz which is actually only 0.1oz heaver than a regular rock wren with less zipper and no overfill. I am wondering if FF bags are not consistant when manufactured or if maybe the quatum fabric being the lightest they carry is that much of a difference? anyone know? This is my first FF bag.

blackbishop351
2006-07-19, 01:21
Wow. That thing looks awesome man! I'm jealous! Too bad I'm allergic to down.... :bawling:

Take-a-knee
2006-07-19, 09:08
Blackbishop if you are allergic to down you'll need a Kickass Quilt for your hammock.

I think that Quantum fabric is 0.8oz per yard, that would save several ounces and FF must quote the weight with the standard fabric, that is remarkably honest. Any outdoor gear company that still makes their product with US labor is not your run-of-the mil outfit.

Mutinousdoug
2006-07-19, 15:33
Nice looking rig.
Do I understand you would be using two identical bags in "cool Season" ? One under and one over? That would still be only 6oz more than my 20f Kazoo by itself.

Turk
2006-07-19, 19:47
Nice looking rig.
Do I understand you would be using two identical bags in "cool Season" ? One under and one over? That would still be only 6oz more than my 20f Kazoo by itself.

No, actually I will be using this bag along with the JRB for all seasons
except july-august months. It was because of one of your posts a
year or two ago that I first became obsessed with getting a wren bag.
Thanks much. Couldn't be happier. Love my first impressions of it.
But love even more the combination of the rock wren and the JRB Nest.

Don't intend to ever use the rock wren as an underquilt, but it is nice to
know that if something happened to my JRB, I can swap my In-hammock
bag for the underquilt. I plan mostly to use as a top quilt except for
spring and fall where I will wear it as a suit. Besides JRB nest is
specialized for the HH UL BP, won't mess with a great system unless
I have an accidental wet night and need to swap out the nest to dry it.



As promised here are some underquilt pics.
http://www.ehko.info/HQ_rw_as_uq_3.JPG
pretty good fit. opening and closing the foot draw strings and head
draw strings make it adjust and hug the HH similar to the JRB nest.
http://www.ehko.info/HQ_rw_as_uq_1.JPG
entrance to the HH is similiar to the potamac quilts, just push it aside.
shown here using JRB standard suspension.
http://www.ehko.info/HQ_rw_as_uq_2.JPG
I played around a bit by allowing the bag open to full size, so that I
could bring the side tie outs of the HH through the arm holes of the wren.
If I take the side tie outs of the HH and tie off to objects or trees at higher
angles I think I can get a pretty cool 3/4 covered encapsulated underquilt
happening. have to be careful with tension at the bottom though.
If I can get a decent system working ,ill post some more pics.

Take-a-knee
2006-07-19, 20:46
Turk, that is a very well thought out system. The No-sniveler is good, but that Wren and the Nest looks like THE way to go! Many thanks for sharing the info and pics. When you use the Wren as a top quilt do you think you'll need something to keep the slider stationary, to form the footsack? I also wonder if that bottom drawstring will completely close, eliminating drafts.

Mutinousdoug
2006-07-20, 13:59
Turk,
Looking at you modeling the Wren and reading some other reviews it looks a little snug on you even with with your arms sticking out. Do you think that would be an issue with you should you have to wear the thing as a sleeping bag?
I used to have a sort of minimalist down bag that was so small at my thighs that I couldn't sleep with the arch of one foot nested in the area between my knee and calf of my other leg when I had to zip it up...I never could get a whole nights sleep in that thing when the weather was cold.

Turk
2006-07-20, 19:14
Ya, its a misleading picture. Because I am holding the bag up with
my armpits,it looks more restrictive a the chest than it actually is.
I have to agree that before purchasing, I also heard that wren bags
tended to be cut tight in the shoulder and chest area.
However I have absolutely no complaints for bag fitting, even with
arms fully inside.

I fall right in the designed size range for the regular size wren bag.
(174lbs, 5ft 10". ) If I wanted to nit-pick, I would redesign the wren
bags with a bit more elbow room , so that zipping and unzipping the
arm holes while inside the bag was a bit easier. This isn't necessarily
hard to do.. I would just personally like a bit more width in the bag.

It is my opinion that the FF rock wren is a "snug fitting bag".
But not to the point that sleeping was unconfortable or movement too
restrictive. The sizing claims they advertise for this bag is generous even
if I was the maximum 6ft tall. however, take the advertised girth into
more serious consideration, if you are a little larger than the average,
don't hesitate to go with the larger fitting bag. I think that if I put on
any more weight that I currently carry in the mid section, I would have
more problems with restrictive fit.


**Please keep in mind that at the time of this post I have only spent
2 nights in this bag, indoors, on my own bed. If I experience any
problems or complaints with bag fit when hammocking this weekend,
I will definately post about it in this thread.


When you use the Wren as a top quilt do you think you'll need something to keep the slider stationary, to form the footsack? I also wonder if that bottom drawstring will completely close, eliminating drafts.

I can't honestly answer this yet until I get some field testing in. And to
be quite honest, I am finding the JRB nest to be so warm that I am
tossing the light 50 deg F. top quilt I have been using off of me at night.




I used to have a sort of minimalist down bag that was so small at my thighs that I couldn't sleep with the arch of one foot nested in the area between my knee and calf of my other leg when I had to zip it up...I never could get a whole nights sleep in that thing when the weather was cold.

Hey, I just tried out the leg position you described here.
It IS a little restrictive. But I can still keep one leg straight with the
heel of my other foot touching the knee cap of my straight leg.
It is tight that way, but still possible. That would be the kind of thing
you could only determine for yourself by trying out a bag in store.
If you want alot of freedom of leg movement, this is NOT the bag for you.

Mutinousdoug
2006-07-21, 00:12
Good info Turk,
Thanks for the review.

Doug

neo
2006-08-19, 10:38
i like this bag for hammocking down to the mid 30,s
it cost right at 20 bucks,wieghs right at 3 lbs,but it doubles as a
large hooded parka,i have a woodland camo and a 3 color desert
camo bag.it compact down very small :cool: neo

http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=027439&Category_Code=35

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=9352&catid=member&imageuser=3462


http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=9359&c=member&imageuser=3462

Ridge Runner
2006-11-11, 11:14
i like this bag for hammocking down to the mid 30,s
it cost right at 20 bucks,wieghs right at 3 lbs,but it doubles as a
large hooded parka,i have a woodland camo and a 3 color desert
camo bag.it compact down very small :cool: neo

http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=027439&Category_Code=35

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=9352&catid=member&imageuser=3462


http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=9359&c=member&imageuser=3462



Nice rig. How tall are you? Is it fairly roomy in the chest?

SGT Rock
2006-11-11, 12:40
Reminds me of an old German Army sleeping bag. I have a couple of them in my gear pile - the Iraqi army had a stack of them I brought home in OIF1.

turbohammock
2007-01-06, 15:06
I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread...

but I just purchased a Exped Wallcreeper bag, and it is practically the same except with a jacket style hood, and it looks like it may be a little cooler (as in comfort rating). check it out... just under $200 and really sweet!:birthday:

Turk
2007-01-08, 19:25
I have been really interested in the wallcreeper. Could you comment on
the bag other than temp rating? Any fit issues or anything? positives or
negatives about the design?

turbohammock
2007-01-08, 21:02
I have been really interested in the wallcreeper. Could you comment on
the bag other than temp rating? Any fit issues or anything? positives or
negatives about the design?

The wallcreeper is pretty sweet. I've only had it for 2 weeks, but I've been able to sleep in it in my HH both outside and in my basement (I don't like sleeping in beds anymore--probably need a girlfriend).

It's pertex quannum or whatever, which is pretty light and soft, so that's nice. I bought a size large because I'm 6'2", but I'm curious to see how a Medium would fit. The Large is plenty big for me, but I'm skinny and used to mummy bags. The design is pretty sweet... it seems pretty much identical to the feathered friends though. I haven't measured the dimensions of the bag when unfolded into a quilt, but it would be big enough for two.

If I could change anything I would probably make the zipper stiffeners stiffer, but that might sacrifice comfort a little.

The down loft is pretty sweet... it feels luxurious. I slept in my HH at just below freezing the other night with the wallcreeper and a thermarest prolight 4 inside of a military gore-tex bivy, and I slept fine through the night but woke up on the verge of being cold (which can be a nice incentive to get up and start moving, so I didn't mind).

I pack it into the smallest OR hydroseal compression sack along with a kelty camp pillow, and it gets to about the same size of packing just the bag inside of the stock stuff sack.

Anything else?

-John
:adore:

stray1
2007-01-08, 23:52
(I don't like sleeping in beds anymore--probably need a girlfriend).


Yes, I think you are right! :aetsch:

Take-a-knee
2007-01-17, 19:44
Turk, have you had a chance to crawl into the Hennessey wearing the Rock Wren yet? If so, could you elaborate?

Turk
2007-01-17, 19:58
oh definately. I have I think aprox 25-30ish nights with the wren-hennessey
now. [post edit:]- nope scratch that, just checked. only 21 nights.

Comments hmm.... very very warm. Can't put a range on it yet. Will
try and get some numbers going in FEB with the FFwren+HH+JRBnest.
As a functional bag... well it speaks for itself. You can get into your bag,
without even taking your boots off (this actually is pretty easy, not even
any dirt on the inside of the bag). Sit in the hammock, take your boots off,
hang them from the ridgeline and close the footend of the bag. Beautiful!!!

The midnight dash to use the facilities is still cold. you have to hike the
thing up around your waist, but at least your core stays warm.

But the best part has been the center zipper location. No matter how you
toss and turn, you're never laying on your zipper.

Ive been really really happy with the bag so far. I am still taunted by
some of these SUL zero deg bags out there on the market... but for
functionality. The wren is a small weight penalty for extremely large
luxury gains. I was thinking about getting the chicadee (FF summer version),
but after so much reading around here and all the other forums, I think
that a JRB no snivy, or an Old rag mountain would be more than enough and
the better buy.

Woods Walker
2007-01-18, 00:12
I like it.

peter_pan
2007-01-19, 11:44
oh definately. I have I think aprox 25-30ish nights with the wren-hennessey
now. [post edit:]- nope scratch that, just checked. only 21 nights.

Comments hmm.... very very warm. Can't put a range on it yet. Will
try and get some numbers going in FEB with the FFwren+HH+JRBnest.
As a functional bag... well it speaks for itself. You can get into your bag,
without even taking your boots off (this actually is pretty easy, not even
any dirt on the inside of the bag). Sit in the hammock, take your boots off,
hang them from the ridgeline and close the footend of the bag. Beautiful!!!

The midnight dash to use the facilities is still cold. you have to hike the
thing up around your waist, but at least your core stays warm.

But the best part has been the center zipper location. No matter how you
toss and turn, you're never laying on your zipper.

Ive been really really happy with the bag so far. I am still taunted by
some of these SUL zero deg bags out there on the market... but for
functionality. The wren is a small weight penalty for extremely large
luxury gains. I was thinking about getting the chicadee (FF summer version),
but after so much reading around here and all the other forums, I think
that a JRB no snivy, or an Old rag mountain would be more than enough and
the better buy.

Turk,

Back before we published our no customizing policy we made a Special, ounce overfill on an Old Rag Mtn winter quilt... Santa never came by to pick it up, something about a lump of coal... It is still hanging around here somewhere...Too nice to let it go to some one in Florida...

Pan

toddhiker
2007-01-19, 15:24
Turk,

Back before we published our no customizing policy we made a Special, ounce overfill on an Old Rag Mtn winter quilt... Santa never came by to pick it up, something about a lump of coal... It is still hanging around here somewhere...Too nice to let it go to some one in Florida...

Pan

What? Us misplaced snowbirds in Florida can't get one?:bootyshak :aetsch:

Take-a-knee
2007-01-19, 15:42
Pan, what color is that quilt?

peter_pan
2007-01-19, 16:00
What? Us misplaced snowbirds in Florida can't get one?:bootyshak :aetsch:

Todd....

You want this one too.... greed is bad :ahhhhh:

Pan

Turk
2007-01-19, 18:59
Turk,

Back before we published our no customizing policy we made a Special, ounce overfill on an Old Rag Mtn winter quilt... Santa never came by to pick it up, something about a lump of coal... It is still hanging around here somewhere...Too nice to let it go to some one in Florida...

Pan

I don't blame santa, it was likely Canada $%@#! Post :biggrin:
All goods returned to the north pole c.o. sender with extended chargers
for items opened at the CAN/US border as part of the new anti-terrorism
policy.

erm ~ something wrong with the site. I tried to send you a PM Pan. But it
wouldnt load the page.

Let me know what you want for the over stuffed Old Rag and ill get payment and new address to you.