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SGT Rock
2007-09-29, 16:30
You guys that have been keeping up with my wife's thread about starting to go with hammocks may already be up to speed here. But I will start new here.

My wife recently started getting into backpacking and hammocks. So far she has been on 4 trips. Each one we have gone a different route:

1 - She tried an Army sleeping pad (23" wide and stiff) with a No Sniveler underquilt for the bottom and a Nunatack BCB for the top. Results: Warm on top and bottom - but the pad was too stiff for her.

2 - A softer Zlite pad (20" wide) for the bottom and Nunatak BCB for the top. Results: Warm on top, bottom OK, but the pad wasn't wide enough or thick enough and it slipped around too much.

3 - The next trip we tried her without any pad and just a No-Sniveler under her and the Nunatak BCB on top. Results: she got cold again.

4 - A "T" style pad idea similar to a segmented pad extender. This time she used the ZLite pad with a Wal-Mart eggcrate pattern attached to the bottom to create wings and make the pad thicker under her back and butt. We also put a new No-Sniveler under her hammock and she used the Nunatak BCB on top. Results: She was warm and liked the way the wing pad stayed under her, but the part under her legs and feet was sliding around and the weight for both pads was getting up there.

So now we get to the next stage of her sleeping system. She has decided she wants a pad like my Oware mummy pad I made a few years back. It is 1/2" thick and warm, doesn't slide, and weighs very little. She tried it on a test hang in the yard and got hot with just the pad. No problem - we order the material and plan to make it for her.

Now here is one kink in her system. Her pack is a SixMoon Designs pack that uses the ZLite for a pack frame - so she is still going to end up carrying a pad that can only be used for that. That seemed like a shame to have to carry one (even if you cut it down) that wouldn't do her any good for anything besides sitting on and a pack frame. So my brain started spinning - what if there was a way. Then it came to me...

A pocket pad.

Check this out:

We didn't get thes from Oware, these are from Gossamer Gear: but they are the same pads and cost about $25 each. They are 60"x40" (give or take). So we cut them down to 28" wide.

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1500.JPG

Then I mark down the side 36" (mine is less, but she wanted it wider near the hips than mine)

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1503.JPG

And make a second set of marks so the foot end is only 18" wide. Cut those little wings off.

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1504.JPG

Now once the first pad is done, you can line it up on the second pad and outline it for cutting:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1505.JPG

Then cut the second pad so they match up:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1507.JPG

Next, I tried to figure about how much space I would need for extra pads inside:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1508.JPG

Using Gorilla Glue, I made about a 1" wide strip around the sides.

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1509.JPG

Next I put the other pad on and used weights and wood to hold the sides together as the glue set (note that this picture was as I was setting these things on there, it took more than is shown here):

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1511.JPG

When the pad is done setting, there is a little excess glue that needs trimmed away on the edges, but it comes out looking like on pad that is 1/2" thick:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1512.JPG

Now I have the pad complete. BUT she also has an option to add insulation between the layers. For instance she could add her Z-Line pad:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1513.JPG

Or if someone else wanted this sort of pad and wanted to use their old trusty thermarest in a hammock and avoid slipping or the problem with narrow inflatable pads:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1515.JPG

You could slide your thermarest in and leave a little on top for a pillow:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1516.JPG

Or if you wanted to go with cheap, wide pads it looks like you can go up to about 24" wide with other pads inside it:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1514.JPG

And finally, it rolls up to a nice little package at 11.13 (315 grams) ounces:

http://hikinghq.net/images/pad/1517.JPG

You can probably go lighter on it by changing how long the sides stay at 28" wide.

After watching a few people go through various ideas to try and make pads work - I think this is a good solution that can help a lot of people get some extra service from their old pads in a hammock.

dixicritter
2007-09-29, 17:18
Y'all should see him when his brain starts spinnin too. ;)

I really like my new pad! :D Can't wait to try it out next weekend.

Take-a-knee
2007-09-29, 19:22
That is ingenious, I never would've thought of that. Some of those new thermarests are getting pretty light, I think the short pad is something like 13oz. That would give you a lot of insulation where you need it most. If the corners of that glue start to peel you could always put a few stitches in there. I don't think that Gorilla glue is going anywhere, if you get that stuff on you it takes a week for it to wear off.

Kohburn
2007-10-12, 16:29
Hey sgt, I actually found you after buying a HH, first discovered it in REI and then found my deal on ebay. I'll be venturing out with it for the first time Oct 19th in shenandoah with expected temps at night of 30's or 40's

so i'm a little concerned about warmth. however i do have materials to work with so this thread and others have really caught my attention.

I've already got a self inflating 3/4 length backpacking mat. I also have reflectix at home from building an addition on my house as well as a roll of 1/8" closed cell foam and a supply of fleece blankets.

do you have any experience with fleece sliding too much in the HH? I was thinking of laminating several layers of the 1/8" foam with fleece and leave a pocket inside to be able to slide in the self inflating mat if i needed more.

SGT Rock
2007-10-12, 17:09
I've never tried it, but I imagine it would tend to slide

jimtanker
2007-10-13, 03:28
Hey Rock! The 70's called, they want thier coffee table back.

:biggrin:

SGT Rock
2007-10-14, 09:39
Shhhh....

My wife's mother gave us that as a house warming gift when we moved here.

CoyoteWhips
2007-10-14, 10:33
http://www.coyotewhips.com/photos/coffeetable.jpg
Coffee Table of the Future!

I've been reading www.hennessyhammock.com about their experiments with auto windshield shades sewn to fleece. I am pondering an experiment with tool drawer liner from Sears and a couple of dollar store shades and a can of spray adhesive.

Rosaleen
2009-11-10, 22:20
Where did you find info about fleece experiments? Years ago I made a fleece poncho/under blanket that Tom liked but did not want to develop at the time. Interesting...

Rosaleen

atraildreamer
2009-11-16, 17:24
Dixie...glad to see that you have Rock well trained. :biggrin: