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SGT Rock
2011-04-15, 20:24
I got to thinking about this on my last hike. HOI had mentioned probably adding a pole mod to his hammock and that was running through my head as I walked. At one point I slept at a shelter in the Smokies with someone using a LightHeart tent, and I got to thinking about possibly doing some sort of pole mod using trekking poles in an arch sort of like she does on the LightHeart Tent.

In case you don't know what a pole mod is:
http://www.2qzqhammockhanger.com/wpimages/wp29f9d383_05.jpg
2QZQ pole mod. Imagine something like this, except the tarp would be closer to the ground, the hiking pole ends would probably be on the ground.

LightHeart Tent:
http://www.lightheartgear.com/LightHeart_Gear/Home_files/IMGP1684.jpg
The center arch is created with two trekking poles and a center ridge pole made from some sort of plastic - which according to posts I could find it is not PVC, but it is some sort of bendable plastic duct pipe or something like that.

Any thoughts?

DesertReprobate
2011-04-15, 21:20
Ask 2QZQ. They do great work. I had the doors and pole mod put on one of my Maccat Deluxe tarps. They should be able to lengthen the pole holder and make it work like you suggest.

SGT Rock
2011-04-16, 21:05
Just got home. On the way here I picked up the proper material and did a proof of concept exercise with a couple of hiking poles over my hammock. Here are the results:

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0390.JPG
Side view. The tarp has not been modified yet. At this point all I have done is made a 1' long joiner which hasn't been shaped yet. I didn't adjust the pole lengths from what I normally walk with. On this side I just used a loop on the tarp to join with the pole's strap by a toggle made from a handy twig.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0391.JPG
The other side. Again, the pole length's haven't been changed. If I decided to go with a set up more like this, where the poles don't touch the ground, then I would simply shorten both poles and use a twig toggle on the ends. No need to add pole end pockets to the tarp.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0392.JPG
Here is the joiner. It is not centered on the tarp ridge at this point because the lengths of the poles haven't been adjusted. This could also probably be shortened. The initial plan was to figure a length and then heat and form it to make the right angles for the poles. But after doing this I have another idea which is to keep it at this length and not form it. It seems to have the right amount of spring tension for the job. Adjusting the poles is probably a better option. At some point I will want to add a tie point to the ridge for this joiner. I also think it would be prudent to add an additional layer of cuben to the places where the baskets are likely to rub against the tarp to help prevent wear through.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0393.JPG
Pole end shown from inside the tarp.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0394.JPGOther end shown. At this time I was using the little clip that comes with the Leki's to attach. If I decided to go with making the poles adjustable to the point the ends touch , the ground, then I would probably want to make a toggle point on the middle sections of both poles so that the ends could be extended based on the set up so that they touched, but the attach points to the tarp would always be the same. The benefit would be that I could then use the pole strap as a tie down point with a tent peg.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0395.JPG
Picture from the foot end. In this picture I mostly closed the head end of the tarp to simulate what the set up would be if the wind were mostly coming from one direction on the tarp. The poles really do make a difference in how roomy the tarp feels.

The joiner is about 26 grams. So for less than an ounce for the pole parts you get a pole mod anyone can make. I may have to add a couple of grams to the tarp for a center pull out.

Thoughts, suggestions?

SGT Rock
2011-04-16, 21:22
And excuse the blur, I had the wrong setting on the camera.

sheepdog
2011-04-16, 21:55
And excuse the blur, I had the wrong setting on the camera.

thought I was having a flashback :bandit:

Kanga
2011-04-16, 21:56
thought I was having a flashback :bandit:

hey, go to that last picture and scroll up and down real quick and you will!:beer::beer:

sheepdog
2011-04-16, 21:56
woa!!!

SGT Rock
2011-04-16, 21:59
More pics with different poles.

These poles are some carbon fiber ski poles I was planning to use on my next hike in 2 weeks. They weigh about 11.1 ounces for the pair - and they won't start collapsing on you wile you hike.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0397.JPG
This is the "left" side of the tarp. The attachment point is simple mason twine in a lashing around the pole with a piece of duct tape to hold it in place. There is plenty of room left at the bottom of the pole to get it to the ground if desired, and the strap would be perfect for staking down.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0400.JPG
"Right" - same deal.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0401.JPG
Better shot of the end of the pole near the ground.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0402.JPG
The joiner is now centered on the ridge line. I've closed the ends down to better simulate what it would be like in there when battening down for a storm.

SGT Rock
2011-04-16, 22:00
And this time the camera was on the right setting.

SGT Rock
2011-04-17, 21:49
Finish product - about 30 grams added to the my entire packing list:
3 grams added to the tarp
25 grams for the pole joiner
2 grams added to the poles

Today when I got home I finished out the project. Test hike coming up the 29th for 100 miles on the BMT.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0403.JPG
Outside view of one of the sides. The pole is resting on the ground, the pole strap is staked out.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0404.JPG
Toggle attachment made with handy twig. The pole attachment point is only a gram per pole.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0407.JPG
Two wear prevention pads are on the tarp now to reduce abrasion on the tarp. I'm using gorilla tape for these. 1 gram per pad.

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0408.JPG
Originally I was going to do this elaborate sewing, taping, and gluing project to make the center hold point, but then I got an easier idea. To stitches required for this loop, and it is held on by VHB tape so it is stronger than rivets. It is actually less than a gram, but I call it a gram.

The joiner, or ridge pole (gotta get a name for that) is made from a 12" length of 1/2" Sharkbite PEX pipe bought from Home Depot at ~$1.90 for a 5' length of it. So I have a lot extra if we decide this works and want to add it to other family hammocks. http://www.sharkbite.com/

http://hikinghq.net/images/project/100_0410.JPG
Tarp shown with the head end closed. At this point the bottom is just flapping open so that you could enter and then stake it closed once in. And you still have lots of floor space plus the extra support of a site "spar" to the tarp to help handle high winds.

SGT Rock
2011-04-17, 21:50
Oh, and now I have a 12" pipe to use on un-piped springs to make getting water more convenient.

Skidsteer
2011-04-17, 21:55
Oh, and now I have a 12" pipe to use on un-piped springs to make getting water more convenient.

That's actually something I've been thinking about adding to the pack.

SGT Rock
2011-04-17, 21:59
That's actually something I've been thinking about adding to the pack.

That is what she said...:beer:

Skidsteer
2011-04-17, 21:59
Ohhhh!

Russell
2011-04-17, 22:05
Oh, and now I have a 12" pipe to use on un-piped springs to make getting water more convenient.

Rock, I carried one for years. I cut one end at 45 degrees.

SGT Rock
2011-04-17, 22:06
Ouch.

Gray Blazer
2011-04-17, 23:15
Usually a Doctor performs the circumcision. Ouch is right.

SGT Rock
2011-04-18, 14:32
I've now got a video up to explain this concept. If it looks like the video starts and stops a lot, go to the last 20 seconds to find out why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLU6tSG1clQ

iLU6tSG1clQ

Hog On Ice
2011-04-18, 14:52
I must admit to LMFAO at 4:00 into the vid - the hand motion is rather suggestive

SGT Rock
2011-04-18, 14:55
Shake weight?

SGT Rock
2011-04-18, 14:58
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Hikerhead
2011-04-18, 15:31
Take your tin cutters and cut them baskets off of your polls... 2 oz savings at least.
Also use the pipe as a straw for drinking out of mud pubbles and rock holes.
What kind of tarp is that?

SGT Rock
2011-04-18, 15:36
I already carry a 1 gram straw for drinking from springs. I also like the small baskets.

The tarp is a DIY 7'x9' Cuben tarp I made last year. 4.4 ounces without the strings or the couple extra grams for the new mod.

Hikerhead
2011-04-18, 15:54
I already carry a 1 gram straw for drinking from springs. I also like the small baskets.

The tarp is a DIY 7'x9' Cuben tarp I made last year. 4.4 ounces without the strings or the couple extra grams for the new mod.

That Cuben fiber...I heard something about it being brittle, easy to tear or rip. Is that true? I've never seen it.

SGT Rock
2011-04-18, 15:56
It is pretty tough. About the only thing it doesn't do well is abrasion, hence the wear strips. It also doesn't like being sewn, so that tarp is about 95% tape work.

Hikerhead
2011-04-18, 15:59
Thanks. You and HOI are...Da Dudes!

Lugnut
2011-04-18, 16:13
Thanks. You and HOI are...Da Dudes!

I thought HOI was questionable? :albertein

Hog On Ice
2011-04-18, 16:20
+1 for Lugnut

Hikerhead
2011-04-18, 16:45
I thought HOI was questionable? :albertein

Don't be talking bad about HOI. He saved J5MAN's and my life twice within 30 minutes... so that's 4 lives saved in one day. If he would have called me from Dolly Sods this weekend saying his battery was dead, I would have there in about 3 hrs with a new one.

Good to see you on here too Lugnut.

Lugnut
2011-04-18, 17:36
Good to be back......I think. :afraid:

dixicritter
2011-04-18, 19:24
Y'all don't pay attention to the camera jiggles... I kept trying not to laugh, but it's hard not to when he's sputtering after inhaling gnats. :D

john pickett
2011-04-19, 10:18
Dixie, you and the Sarge should try hiking and camping on Cumberland Island on the Georgia-Florida shore. The gnats don't just swarm, they bite too. When I lived in Georgia, a bunch of guys would go each spring, like the first week in March, to camp a week. We carried more Skin-So-Soft than beer! Used it all up too.

dixicritter
2011-04-19, 12:02
Dixie, you and the Sarge should try hiking and camping on Cumberland Island on the Georgia-Florida shore. The gnats don't just swarm, they bite too. When I lived in Georgia, a bunch of guys would go each spring, like the first week in March, to camp a week. We carried more Skin-So-Soft than beer! Used it all up too.

We have some of the biting ones too, they're just not out yet.