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SGT Rock
2011-05-28, 19:45
I've been working on my summer pack system. One of the things I do in the summer is go down to just boil-in-bag cooking. Last year I used a Heineken Keg Can, but when I took it out this year it was too beat up to hold water. Since Heineken doesn't make the good old 24 ounce cans anymore it was impossible to just go out and buy a new one. Skids is sending me a replacement...

But for now I wanted to play around. This is what I came up with today:

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0562a.jpg
The Venom Can system.

Components:
Venom energy drink can - 60gr
Micro Ion (Micron) stove - 1gr
Micro TiPod - 6gr
Caldera style cone windscreen - 11gr
4.5oz fuel bottle - 14gr
Nabisco Go-Pack cup - 18gr
Boil-in-bag cozy - 24gr
Disposable plastic spoon - 5gr
Small Bic lighter - 12 gr
Total = 151 gr (5.34 ounces)

Venom Drink Can - serves double duty as a water heater pot and as a water bottle. The stated capacity is 16.9 ounces, but I found I could squeeze 19 ounces of water into it.

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0561a.jpg

The Micron stove is basically an Ion stove made from two tea light containers and packed (lightly) with some fiberglass insulation. The tested maximum capacity of the stove is 15ml which was plenty for bringing the 19 ounces in the bottle to boil. I didn't time it because I really didn't care how fast it boiled - just that it would boil that much water. If a meal requires 1 - 3/4 cups of water to make (14 ounces) that would leave a little left over for a small cup of tea while waiting for the meal to simmer in the bag. The stand is a cut down TiPod stand made specifically for this smaller stove.

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0558a.jpg

The Caldera Cone style windscreen fits semi-snug to the bottle and gives a wide base to help stabilize this narrow and tall system. Tested vs. a standard straight style windscreen it didn't seem to offer any performance enhancement but does help to steady it against accidental tip over.

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0562a.jpg

The 4.5 ounce fuel bottle is an old baby oil container that I've slightly modified. If I do two hot meals a day, this is enough fuel for 4.5 days of coffee and grits for breakfast, and hot dinners with a chance of tea at night.

The Nabisco Go-Pack cup is a possible item of elimination. For now it serves as the place to make the coffee or tea - but it is possible that could be done directly in the bottle. For now the cup also serves as a container for the stove components since I don't put these in the pot.

The boil-in-bag cozy can serve as the cozy for holding the meal while it "simmers", but it can also possibly hold the hot bottle as a drink container while I sip hot tea or coffee from it as shown. It also serves as a pot grabber when taking the bottle off the stove after the boil is done.

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0559a.jpg

The disposable plastic spoon and small Bic round out the system.

SGT Rock
2011-05-28, 21:17
I just uploaded a video of the system:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kadDk_Q98Nc

sheepdog
2011-05-28, 22:54
very cool. I guess I'll go buy another can. :D

SGT Rock
2011-05-29, 17:10
I made a quick mod today. In order to help the pot find its way to the sweet spot of the stand, I cut notches into the tops of the stands:

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0569a.jpg

Now when you put the bottle on the stand, it goes to the low spot for a little better stabilization.

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0572a.jpg

SGT Rock
2011-05-30, 14:49
Having fun with the Caldera Cone style windscreens. They seem a little more efficient but harder to make:

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0577.JPG
Cone on a Heineken Can

http://hikinghq.net/images/venom/100_0578.JPG
Cone on a grease pot.

sheepdog
2011-05-30, 15:28
do you heat the venom bottle with the cap on or off? If the cap is set on, does the heat screw up the seal?

SGT Rock
2011-05-30, 15:37
I've been setting the cap on and only going 1/4" turn. Put it too far on and it is a bear to get off when the bottle is hot. So far the threads haven't had a problem even though they are plastic threads.

jrwiesz
2011-05-30, 16:29
Get a Venom stove from Zelph stove works and you're got to go!

SGT Rock
2011-05-30, 16:44
Zelph makes some nice stoves, but it is a little heavier than I am looking for ;)

jrwiesz
2011-05-30, 20:56
I have one coming; wanted to check it out, maybe, switch over from my Jetboil.

1.6 oz. and absorb 1/2 oz. of fuel, without spilling; gotta give it a try.

SGT Rock
2011-05-30, 21:17
My guess is you will probably like it. Another one to look at is the Minibull Designs Bios 4 in that same sort of style: http://www.minibulldesign.com/apps/webstore/products/show/1229582*
Zelph and Tinny both make good stoves. Of course they both seem to hate each other's guts for some reason. :hmmmm:

Part of the reason I got out of the stove business is I got tired of the cults. That and it cut into my hiking time.

Good luck with the stove - I think you will have a good time playing with it.

Hog On Ice
2011-06-03, 10:06
Rock, I think the thing you are calling a grease pot is the same thing others call an IMUSA mug - they come in 3 sizes iirc - the one you and I have I think is the 1 liter size

SGT Rock
2011-06-03, 15:53
IMUSA mug? Never heard of it. Do they make them smaller?

Hog On Ice
2011-06-03, 16:16
well they used to but I just checked the IMUSA web site and the mug/pot is no longer listed

btw I think if you look carefully at the bottom of the pot you will see the IMUSA logo

here's a pic - there are at least 2 sizes since two sizes are shown in the picture - 10 and 12 cm diameter:

http://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/images/10_and_12cm_mugs.jpg

SGT Rock
2011-06-03, 16:33
I need to get a smaller one.

SGT Rock
2011-06-03, 16:36
I just checked the Wal-Mart site, apparently they have these at the Morristown Wal-Mart.

vonfrick
2011-06-05, 19:24
IMUSA mug? Never heard of it. Do they make them smaller?


I need to get a smaller one.

i'll look. they had a bunch at wallyworld last year and i bought 'em all and put 'em at shaw's in the store. they were only a couple of bucks. can't go to walmart till rockhound is gone. maybe wednesday- don't want him to feel left out, although it might make for some good video.

vonfrick
2011-06-05, 19:26
I just checked the Wal-Mart site, apparently they have these at the Morristown Wal-Mart.

beat me to it. :)

Rigamarol
2011-06-15, 13:55
I really like my Venom can and use it often. Was a little worried that the plastic threads will get melted eventually.

If you wanted to shave off a little more weight you could also use a thin walled aluminum bottle. I have a 12 oz Caribuo Coffee drink bottle and a 16 oz Miller Lite that I use.

The key to not crushing these thin walled bottles is to always keep them full. And I mean full as in screwing the cap down squirts out water. I then keep this as back up water in addition to a plastic water bottle. When i boil i just lay the cap upside down on the lip to keep in heat.

Rigamarol

SGT Rock
2011-06-15, 14:21
:hmmmm2:Interesting. I've also got a Mega Monster can I got to try but haven't. It is more flimsy than the venom but holds 24 ounces. I figured it would get crushed so I never thought about using it. Hmmmm.

Two Speed
2011-06-15, 14:23
Question: if you have to keep it full of water you can't drink on the trail haven't you screwed up your average daily haul?

SGT Rock
2011-06-15, 15:29
Good point.

Superman
2011-06-15, 15:35
I went back to the two nalgene system although I usually only use one. I don't carry any more water than I need. I can dry camp with two nalgenes. It's not like the AT is a desert.

Hog On Ice
2011-06-15, 15:53
nalgene - I'll use one if there is a chance I need a hot water bottle otherwise I use two 1L wide mouth Mtn. Dew bottles - unfortunately as near as I can tell the wide mouth Pepsi bottles are no longer being sold which annoyed me considerably since I don't like the form factor of the 1 L Gatoraide bottles

Superman
2011-06-15, 16:04
nalgene - I'll use one if there is a chance I need a hot water bottle otherwise I use two 1L wide mouth Mtn. Dew bottles - unfortunately as near as I can tell the wide mouth Pepsi bottles are no longer being sold which annoyed me considerably since I don't like the form factor of the 1 L Gatoraide bottles

I was using gatorade bottles but the damn steripen I bought requires a wider mouth....like the nalgene.:beer:

Skidsteer
2011-06-15, 18:01
I was using gatorade bottles but the damn steripen I bought requires a wider mouth....like the nalgene.:beer:

Say what?

Throw the damn bottle adaptor away. Steripens work on Gatorade bottles.

Superman
2011-06-15, 18:17
Say what?

Throw the damn bottle adaptor away. Steripens work on Gatorade bottles.

It would if I'd bought one of the other models. The one I have is wide and has the contacts on the side...not on the bottom. When I bought it I'd never seen one before so I bought this one because it is green. That may have been the wrong criteria.:albertein

Skidsteer
2011-06-15, 18:43
It would if I'd bought one of the other models. The one I have is wide and has the contacts on the side...not on the bottom. When I bought it I'd never seen one before so I bought this one because it is green. That may have been the wrong criteria.:albertein

Which model did you get?

Rigamarol
2011-06-16, 13:47
Question: if you have to keep it full of water you can't drink on the trail haven't you screwed up your average daily haul?
One doesn't have to keep it full of water. I just choose to so it is more durable. I kinda treat it like the reserve petcock on my motorcycle. Once I dip into it I know I have to start looking for a refill. I try not to be on my last drop of water when I reach my next source or camp. So a 12 oz reserve doesn't seem excessive to me. I can't seem to find those little Caribou coffee drinks anymore though if someone knows another product that uses the same type of can.

Two Speed
2011-06-16, 13:58
Sounds like you're getting close to contradicting yourself, but I don't have to carry your pack and if it works for you, hey, no worries here.

If I run across a bottle that sounds like the one you're describing I'll give you a shout.

Rigamarol
2011-06-16, 14:01
yeah it will get crushed very easily once empty. I played with one of the monster bottles. The Caribou and Miller Lite seemed more stable even when empty because of there shape. I tried just about every energy drink bottle. got all jittery wired trying to find one that worked. The cap on the monster (if it is the one i'm thinking of) is also a little odd and I don't think the flat gasket bit will stay. It def won't stay if you were heating it. It would melt like butter I think.

Rigamarol
2011-06-16, 14:50
Sounds like you're getting close to contradicting yourself, but I don't have to carry your pack and if it works for you, hey, no worries here.

If I run across a bottle that sounds like the one you're describing I'll give you a shout.
A walking contradiction as it were. ;)

Superman
2011-06-16, 18:09
Which model did you get?

The steripen protector

sheepdog
2011-06-16, 20:13
The steripen protector

need the traveler

Superman
2011-06-16, 20:25
need the traveler

Yeah

john pickett
2013-10-12, 17:26
Sarge, resurrecting an old thread; I wondered what fabric your boil-bag cozy is made from.
On another thought. If I resurrect a thread, have I made it a zombie thread?

SGT Rock
2013-10-12, 17:48
I like the term Zombie thread.


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