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SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 17:35
Hey all, I figured I would ask this of my general subscribers since most of you know me and don't have a problem telling me EXACTLY what you think...

Earlier this year I got the suggestion to change the book format to make it fit into a zip-lock bag for weather protection. It was close to publishing time and I didn't want to totally re-format the book before I went to print so I put it on the list of things to do later. I have played with re-formatting for 2014 and it is possible, but means another near total reformatting. It isn't something I won't do, but it may not be the best solution.

A few weeks ago I got my advanced copy of the 2012 AT Guide from Awol. He included a zip-lock bag that is just perfect for his guidebook to fit in. It is not a standard bag, but a little thicker (last longer) and the oddball size is also perfect for my guidebook without doing a reformat. I can get them at about $0.06 a bag if I buy in bulk.

So as I see it I have three options:
1. Keep the current format and send out test bags with future orders and see how well it works. If it works well, keep the same format in 2014 and keep sending bags with orders.

2. Same as above, except if it doesn't work out reformat.

3. Plan to reformat anyway so users can use standard zip-lock bags as replacements. But just remember this is a <300 mile trail. It isn't like you are going to be out there for 6 months wearing stuff out.

Please advise...

john pickett
2012-02-15, 17:39
Sarge, why not raise the price of the book 6 cents and include the bag for free?
Regards,
John Pickett

Hog On Ice
2012-02-15, 17:40
supply one bag with the initial order and if replacements are needed sell them at some reasonable rate - 5 / $5 or something like that

don't bother reformatting

generoll
2012-02-15, 17:41
FWIW
1. do you do most of your business mail order? If not then the bags will get lost on book shelves.
2. see above
3. sounds like a plan, when you get around to it.

Kanga
2012-02-15, 18:09
#1 and what hoi said.

sheepdog
2012-02-15, 18:20
so far I'm winning :biggrin:

Roche
2012-02-15, 18:32
KISS

Which is the less PITA? Reformatting or getting the non-standard zip bag?

Hog On Ice
2012-02-15, 18:34
one of the key items IMO is that AWOL's AT Guide uses the same zip lock bag as that useful for the current format of Rock's BMT guide

SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 18:39
KISS

Which is the less PITA? Reformatting or getting the non-standard zip bag?

Getting Awol's bags is the simple solution.

SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 18:45
supply one bag with the initial order and if replacements are needed sell them at some reasonable rate - 5 / $5 or something like that

don't bother reformatting
It would be about $0.10 for the bag and $5 for shipping LOL.

Ray
2012-02-15, 19:30
So what size super ziplock bag are we talking about here and how many you need?

Because my lab could use a couple thousand that size. Desperately.

Just askin'.

SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 19:37
4mil 7"x9" www.hillas.com

SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 19:39
http://www.hillas.com/Products/Zipper_Top_Bags/LAD_3750A.asp

Ray
2012-02-15, 20:04
4mil 7"x9" www.hillas.comI'll have my people call your people.

Big Mac
2012-02-15, 20:27
Have Ray's lab buy the bags. Get Ray to borrow a few hundred and drop them off to you. Problem solved.:bebored:

Ray
2012-02-15, 20:35
Have Ray's lab buy the bags. Get Ray to borrow a few hundred and drop them off to you. Problem solved.:bebored:I would never never never never ever consider doing or discussing anything like that on a website that I access at work and so could be monitored by Corporate Security.

Just a couple hundred?

SGT Rock
2012-02-15, 22:24
It would be nice if about 300 fell off a truck. Just sayin'

Roche
2012-02-15, 22:38
What about a heavy duty prophylactic - the ones that don't bust from the thrust?

Ray
2012-02-16, 08:53
Too bad you can't use 4mil 9X12's. Got cases of those.

I could be proactive in implementing the initiative to rightsize our supply closet inventory resources to facilitate white space creation, thereby taking ownership of the performance-based synergies realized by managing our property platforms more efficiently and implementing the metrics necessary to leverage continuously improving cost savings within the scope of global property accountability.

Like today.

Hog On Ice
2012-02-16, 09:21
so Ray does Six Sigma suck as bad for y'all as it did for us at GE?

Ray
2012-02-16, 09:37
so Ray does Six Sigma suck as bad for y'all as it did for us at GE?I'm LEANing that way.

Good for killer buzzword bingo cards though.

sheepdog
2012-02-16, 09:39
Too bad you can't use 4mil 9X12's. Got cases of those.

I could be proactive in implementing the initiative to rightsize our supply closet inventory resources to facilitate white space creation, thereby taking ownership of the performance-based synergies realized by managing our property platforms more efficiently and implementing the metrics necessary to leverage continuously improving cost savings within the scope of global property accountability.

Like today.
you be like cleanin shit up and stuff???

SGT Rock
2012-02-16, 09:44
I think that means it could fall off a truck at any second...

Just sayin'

john pickett
2012-02-16, 12:08
Poor Ray! Any Psychiatrists lurking today? I know of a Really, Really interesting clinical case for you.
Might even be worth a write-up in JAMA!

SGT Rock
2012-02-16, 13:56
FWIW
1. do you do most of your business mail order? If not then the bags will get lost on book shelves.

I could staple the bag to the book ;)

generoll
2012-02-16, 18:49
I could staple the bag to the book ;)

Good plan, that way the water could run out of the bag.

Gaiter
2012-02-16, 19:41
what? really? can you just tell people to use a gallon size and suck it? when I carry a book I put it in a gallon size bag, push out excess air and fold the excess bag around the book... never been an issue with me... on my long trips I did duct tape the edges of that gallon bag, (and any other bag i used a lot)

mudhead
2012-02-16, 19:42
I think Ray has been hanging with lawyers watching CSPAN.

SGT Rock
2012-02-16, 19:44
Personally I use a gallon bag anyway. But it does weigh 5 grams more.

Hog On Ice
2012-02-16, 19:47
5 grams means more is some places than in others

sheepdog
2012-02-16, 22:07
I can get a bunch of those little baggies that crack comes in

SGT Rock
2012-02-17, 20:16
I was wrong, checking my scales it is 7 grams. That is a whole 1/4 ounce!

Mountainsmike
2012-02-24, 00:42
Bag included with purchase would be awesome no matter even if you had to increase the cost. If it came with one I see no need to reformat it. Like you said it's not that long of a trail where one would wear it out. If they do they will have very serious gear issues! The guide ROCKS!

SGT Rock
2012-02-24, 01:40
I've got some samples coming in the mail.

I hope to offer a package deal:

BMT Thru-Hikers Guide
Waterproof bag
BMT pocket profiles