Looking to Trade

[JDBaughman]

I'm looking to trade (if I can get a good enough deal). I have a USMC issued ILBE (Molle) with DAY PACK & HYDRATION CARRIER/BLADDER. It is Designed by Arcteryx and manufactured by Propper. it is in pristine condition. No tears. No rips. No stains. No missing gear. Look it up and you will find that it is an exceptional pack. My only complaint is that, even though I can carry it, and 4 gallons of water, a tent (limelight 3p), stove, fuel, food, ECT, I'm a little tired of carrying the weight of the pack itself. I want something lighter. BTW, this pack, with everything, goes for $200+ online.

What I want is something of equal quality and lighter. Maybe you are into military gear, maybe your not. Do your research on this pack. Again, I just want something that is lighter, but of equal quality.3942
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[JDBaughman]

Also, here is a picture of the attachable/detachable Day Pack/Ditch Bag/Fast Pack as well as the attachable/detachable hydration bladder. Both these items attach to the main ILBE Pack. 3946394739483949

[D'Artagnan]

I'm not sure if it's 100% "equal quality", but would you consider an Atmos 50 (First Generation in red)? I only used it on a couple weekenders and found I needed something with more volume for longer trips.

[JDBaughman]

I certainly DO like the Osprey Atmos 50L... But I don't think it will have enough room for all my gear... How much weight is it rated to carry? My pack, fully loaded, weighs between 65lbs - 75lbs. Can you post pictures of it? Is there any damage to the frame? Any broken zippers? what is the difference between the 1st gen and the latest model?

I will say that I fully understand that it would probably be hard to find a pack up to the same build quality as the USMC ILBE because 1000D Cordura is pretty tough material.

[Cuffs]

I don't have a trade to offer but was wondering where you were hiking that you were carrying so much weight?

[JDBaughman]

Tennessee River Gorge Segment. Starts at signal point then goes down to raccoon mnt, then back to signal point. About 30 miles. I know it seems like a lot, but that was a good day... Back in my USMC days, think about that, plus flak vest with e-sapi plates and a rifle with ammo... 70lbs is nothing lol

[JDBaughman]

I just haven't gotten to the point where I'm willing to lose some luxuries I guess... I carry my tent and all it's gear, plus my cookware (MSR Pocket Rocket, MSR Seagull Pot, GSI Halulite minimalist Pot, 8oz Fuel canister, Sea to Summit Spork), a ranger role (skivy shirt, shorts, socks), 3 gallons of water (because I don't have a filter and lost my steripen), sleeping bag, my dogs bed (poncho liner), his food (dog food), my food (mountain house), IFAK (first aid), flashlight, headlamp, Taurus 9mm (1 Magazine; gotta watch out when you start hearing the banjos), micro LED Lantern, Map of the area, and finally my luxuries; tea, hot cocoa, oatmeal, grits, honey, sugar water, ECT. 3958
I know you can't really tell, but that pack weighed 65-70 pounds. That's this past weekend.

[JDBaughman]

Hopefully that explained a little of why its heavy... if only I could get rid of those luxuries!

[sheepdog]

damn, 3 gallons of water is a killer!!

[Big Mac]

How many roles of toilet paper?

[D'Artagnan]

I certainly DO like the Osprey Atmos 50L... But I don't think it will have enough room for all my gear... How much weight is it rated to carry? My pack, fully loaded, weighs between 65lbs - 75lbs. Can you post pictures of it? Is there any damage to the frame? Any broken zippers? what is the difference between the 1st gen and the latest model?

I will say that I fully understand that it would probably be hard to find a pack up to the same build quality as the USMC ILBE because 1000D Cordura is pretty tough material.


I'll get it out and see if I can get a decent picture posted. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it -- it doesn't even smell funny! I only mentioned it was a 1st Gen so you could get an idea of the look. I haven't compared it with the new ones. I also have a larger Gregory pack I will take a look at. I believe it's a "Keeler".

[JDBaughman]

How many roles of toilet paper?

...lol I actually take 1 role... Or part of a roll to use as kindling... Cause it stays together in a role and burns very easily... Also maybe to shwipe my arse...

[Skidsteer]

What I want is something of equal quality and lighter.


My pack, fully loaded, weighs between 65lbs - 75lbs.

There's the rub.

If you want to continue carrying 65-75 lbs, it will be hard to find a lighter pack that will hold up. For instance, I have a Gregory Shasta that will handle that kind of weight and it weighs about 7 lbs empty. How much does the Molle pack weigh?

[firemedic]

I have a CFP-90 with attachable day pack it is in Digital camo if you are interested. It has only been used three times during deployment to NOLA after Katrina / Rita.


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[Kanga]

jd, lose the 3 gallons of water. that's 20 more pounds than you need to be carrying. if you are adverse to spending the money on a new steripen or filter, then check out www.geartrade.com for used/new/sellouts or just carry a few drops of bleach in a small 50mL nalgene (like a travel shampoo bottle).

[MonkeyBoy]

24 pounds, to be exact.

Water is 8lbs to the gallon.

[Hog On Ice]

24 pounds, to be exact.

Water is 8lbs to the gallon.

or the more easily remembered "a pint is a pound the world around"

[Kanga]

24 pounds, to be exact.

Water is 8lbs to the gallon.
actually to be exact, it is 24.9999999 lbs. water is 8.3333333 lbs per gallon, or 2.2 lbs per liter.

[Cuffs]

actually to be exact, it is 24.9999999 lbs. water is 8.3333333 lbs per gallon, or 2.2 lbs per liter.

you extrapulated 24.99999 and 8.33333... why didnt you say 2.2046?

[Tin Man]

24 pounds, to be exact.

Water is 8lbs to the gallon.

that depends on where he went hiking... for example, on the moon three gallons of water would weigh 3.84 pounds

[Hog On Ice]

knurd

[JDBaughman]

There's the rub.

If you want to continue carrying 65-75 lbs, it will be hard to find a lighter pack that will hold up. For instance, I have a Gregory Shasta that will handle that kind of weight and it weighs about 7 lbs empty. How much does the Molle pack weigh?

It weighs around 10lbs empty. But maybe it is just all the water I'm carrying... The marine corps spent most of its time telling me to hydrate...cso I guess it's second nature to want to make sure I can do so at any given time... lol

[Superman]

It weighs around 10lbs empty. But maybe it is just all the water I'm carrying... The marine corps spent most of its time telling me to hydrate...cso I guess it's second nature to want to make sure I can do so at any given time... lol

Adapt and Overcome

[Skidsteer]

It weighs around 10lbs empty. But maybe it is just all the water I'm carrying... The marine corps spent most of its time telling me to hydrate...cso I guess it's second nature to want to make sure I can do so at any given time... lol

Hydration is good. That's why a loving God gave us all these lovely springs, creeks, river, and lakes to drink from.

It's like magic or somethin'. :biggrin:

[JDBaughman]

Hydration is good. That's why a loving God gave us all these lovely springs, creeks, river, and lakes to drink from.

It's like magic or somethin'. :biggrin:

Yea... So Im getting hat everyone thinks 3 gallons is a lot of water to carry...? All, I'm buying the Steripen Defender in a few weeks... After that I'll cut down the water weight.

[Superman]

Yea... So Im getting hat everyone thinks 3 gallons is a lot of water to carry...? All, I'm buying the Steripen Defender in a few weeks... After that I'll cut down the water weight.

A persons smiles are proportional to his pack weight.

[Skidsteer]

That, and how much sex he's having.

[Hog On Ice]

and how much pain relief he's having

[Cuffs]

After the steripen, you might want to consider dropping the 3 person tent that weighs in at 6 pounds. Youd be amazed at how much more you'll enjoy your hike when youre carrying less...

[sheepdog]

Yea... So Im getting hat everyone thinks 3 gallons is a lot of water to carry...? All, I'm buying the Steripen Defender in a few weeks... After that I'll cut down the water weight.

that's what Kristie Alley said.

[JDBaughman]

that's what Kristie Alley said.

...lol

[Big Mac]

that's what Kristie Alley said.

Is that KIRSTIE Alley's twin sister?

[Skidsteer]

She was.

Then Kirstie ate her.

[Big Mac]

She was.

Then Kirstie ate her.

Ah - that makes sense.

[Bearpaw]

Yea... So Im getting hat everyone thinks 3 gallons is a lot of water to carry...? All, I'm buying the Steripen Defender in a few weeks... After that I'll cut down the water weight.

Dude, I was in A/NGLICO, with crazy pack weights, (and a radio in every pack), and we never carried more than 6 quarts. When I hike now, I rarely carry more than 1-2 quarts.

Don't waste your money on a steripen. Battery life sucks. Less than a quarter of what they claim. I tried three different versions. Most water, especially springs, need no treatment. For the rest, use aqua mira drops or tablets. The tabs say 4 hours to treat, but they're safe for any thing in the States in 30 minutes or less.

[JDBaughman]

After the steripen, you might want to consider dropping the 3 person tent that weighs in at 6 pounds. Youd be amazed at how much more you'll enjoy your hike when youre carrying less...

Honestly, some of the fun for me is the fact that I'm carrying weight across terrain...

[JDBaughman]

Dude, I was in A/NGLICO, with crazy pack weights, (and a radio in every pack), and we never carried more than 6 quarts. When I hike now, I rarely carry more than 1-2 quarts.

Don't waste your money on a steripen. Battery life sucks. Less than a quarter of what they claim. I tried three different versions. Most water, especially springs, need no treatment. For the rest, use aqua mira drops or tablets. The tabs say 4 hours to treat, but they're safe for any thing in the States in 30 minutes or less.

Doesn't it make the water taste like sh!t? I remember back in the day, I used some iodine tablets and after that experience, I told myself "NEVER AGAIN"

[Tin Man]

Doesn't it make the water taste like sh!t? I remember back in the day, I used some iodine tablets and after that experience, I told myself "NEVER AGAIN"

aqua mira is fine. but you really only need to treat 'suspect' water, such as when a pond or farm are upstream.

[Tin Man]

That, and how much sex he's having.


and how much pain relief he's having

preferably not at the same time, at least for me... YMMV

[Bearpaw]

Doesn't it make the water taste like sh!t? I remember back in the day, I used some iodine tablets and after that experience, I told myself "NEVER AGAIN"

Aqua Mira is a chlorine treatment, not iodine. If you overtreat your water, it might taste a touch like pool water, but there is usually no taste to speak of.

[Hog On Ice]

Aqua Mira is a chlorine treatment, not iodine. If you overtreat your water, it might taste a touch like pool water, but there is usually no taste to speak of.

depends on what you are used to - if you drink well water or spring water you will most likely taste the Aqua Mira treatment but if you are used to drinking city water you probably won't notice the taste

[chumpchange]

i'd pick shitty tasting water over shitty drawzz, well to an extent anyway...

[JDBaughman]

True

[MonkeyBoy]

That's why I filter.....no aftertaste......clean clear water.

Also, no waiting.

[JDBaughman]

Do you use a pump filter?

[Hooch]

. . . .water is. . . .2.2 lbs per liter.Or 1 kg, since we're talking metric.

Nice pack. What's the inseam?

[sherrill]

Water is 8lbs to the gallon.

How much does a pound of pork chops weigh?

[Hog On Ice]

453.592 grams

[chumpchange]

with or without the bone?

[sherrill]

Or dirt?

[MonkeyBoy]

Do you use a pump filter?

Yep. MSR Sweetwater

[chumpchange]

Yep. MSR Sweetwater

does it catch all the tadpoles?

[Tin Man]

does it catch all the tadpoles?

if you insert the ceramic filter, yes

[JDBaughman]

if you insert the ceramic filter, yes

...lol

[JDBaughman]

Or 1 kg, since we're talking metric.

Nice pack. What's the inseam?

You know, I have no idea... I don't even know how big it really is... I know they market it as being capable of carrying 120lbs comfortably... But I have heard from a few friends that it can carry 130+

[JDBaughman]

I was only issued this pack... I never read the brochure... It's does what it's told

[Skidsteer]

You know, I have no idea... I don't even know how big it really is... I know they market it as being capable of carrying 120lbs comfortably... But I have heard from a few friends that it can carry 130+

120 lbs? Dadgum.

Those new smart cars look like they only weigh about 150 lbs or so.

Impressive.

[warraghiyagey]

120 lbs comfortably?..... hmmmmmmmm..... I call bs... unless it's 120 lbs for like a distance of 20 feet......

[Lugnut]

I had my propane tank filled up with 20 lbs. And it didn't seem to be any heavier that it was before. :albertein

[Skidsteer]

I had my propane tank filled up with 20 lbs. And it didn't seem to be any heavier that it was before. :albertein

You're just a badass. I bet that will keep your pocket rocket going for a long time.

[Lugnut]

:biggrin:

[JDBaughman]

120 lbs comfortably?..... hmmmmmmmm..... I call bs... unless it's 120 lbs for like a distance of 20 feet......

Dude, Look up the specs on google. It is capable of carrying 120lbs. Think about this, at ITB (Infantry Training Battalion), marines carry 100lbs for 15 miles... the instructors make the marines carry more weight unnecessarily. That my friend, is a fact. I got pictures ;) Hell I carry, around 60-70lbs on a hike comfortably.

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Here is a nice read on it: http://getfreeinfo.com/usmcs-ilbe.html

[Skidsteer]

The only way I'll carry 120 lbs for more than 20 feet is if it's my best girl and the zombies will rape her if I don't.

[JDBaughman]

Well like I said, as a Marine, it's does what it's told.

[Nearly Normal]

Is this about recreational backpacking?

[chumpchange]

rock's gonna shit a gold scale.

[dixicritter]

rock's gonna shit a gold scale.

That made me laugh! LMAO

[JDBaughman]

A gold scale huh...?

[saimyoji]

rock's gonna shit a gold scale.


the midas ass?

[dixicritter]

A gold scale huh...?

You'll learn soon enough that Rock is a huge gram weenie. LOL

[Hog On Ice]

however after this last hike I think he might actually consider carrying The Stick - it really worked well for getting the knots out after using the light weight shoes

[Ray]

however after this last hike I think he might actually consider carrying The Stick - it really worked well for getting the knots out after using the light weight shoesI've been carrying one of The Sticks for about a year now. It's always in the backpack I tote to work and everywhere else with my lunch, water bottle, raincoat, first aid kit, Rock's recommended flashlight and a few other essentials that would enable me to survive on a desert island - a Leatherman, my ipod and 8 custom made juggling balls, for example.

After the hip gizmo extended my thigh to the length it should be some muscles need stretching. I use it about 2, 3 times a day.

It's the way I roll.

[dixicritter]

however after this last hike I think he might actually consider carrying The Stick - it really worked well for getting the knots out after using the light weight shoes

Knowing him he'll try to figure out a way to make it lighter.

[john pickett]

"he might actually consider carrying The Stick"
My mental image of Sgt Rock has elements of Theodore Roosevelt.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

[JDBaughman]

I'm not sure if it's 100% "equal quality", but would you consider an Atmos 50 (First Generation in red)? I only used it on a couple weekenders and found I needed something with more volume for longer trips.

What is the difference between the 1st gen and this new 2012 model?

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[Cuffs]

Alot. The foam on the hip belt and harness has changed. The layout of the front pocket has been redesigned. The airscape mesh back panel has also been modified. The fabrics are different. The logo used to be embroidered. Now its a decal.

[chumpchange]

the hip belts and the torso are velcro adjustable with the 2012.


where i like it:
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all the way out:
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both hip buckles extend:
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[JDBaughman]

I like it. But, if I went with the 1st gen, I'd actually be losing some functionality from my current pack... Not to mention all the molle... I'd trade my ILBE for a new Atmos 50... but not the older model...

[SGT Rock]

FWIW I always recommend changing pack last after you get your gear set and then get something that is only big enough for that gear and 5 days of food. There is a good rule of thumb out there that seems to stand: if you carry a big pack you will generally find a way to fill it up.

I've done iodine, aqua-mira, and even a filter once. Now days I just use chlorine bleach since it is cheap. And if I need to filter out tadpoles I use a woman's nylon sock.
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[saimyoji]

FWIW I always recommend changing pack last after you get your gear set and then get something that is only big enough for that gear and 5 days of food. There is a good rule of thumb out there that seems to stand: if you carry a big pack you will generally find a way to fill it up.

I've done iodine, aqua-mira, and even a filter once. Now days I just use chlorine bleach since it is cheap. And if I need to filter out tadpoles I use a woman's nylon sock.
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do you take it off her first?

[SGT Rock]

sometimes.

[D'Artagnan]

The only way I'll carry 120 lbs for more than 20 feet is if it's my best girl and the zombies will rape her if I don't.

Umm, not trying to channel Camo here, but you might want to re-read the last part of that sentence... ;-)

[Kanga]

what's wrong with it?

[Cuffs]

what's wrong with it?

Thats what Im wondering...

[Superman]

Umm, not trying to channel Camo here, but you might want to re-read the last part of that sentence... ;-)

I think he is supposed to take the leg out of it?

[Lugnut]

what's wrong with it?

Put the stress on the next to last word and it changes the whole sentence.

[SGT Rock]

Well the foreplay is a little rough.

[warraghiyagey]

Umm, not trying to channel Camo here, but you might want to re-read the last part of that sentence... ;-)

Hmmm... there is the granddaddy of moral conundrums.....

[Elder]

The only way I'll carry 120 lbs for more than 20 feet is if it's my best girl and the zombies will rape her if I Don't carry her.


fixed it.

[Skidsteer]

fixed it.

No you just fucked up one of my best double entendres ever.

[Skidsteer]

What really surprises me is no one called me on the "120 lb. best girl".

Y'all know I don't go for the skinny bitches. WTF?

[Cuffs]

If she's 4'11"...

But then again, I think Peanuts is taller and heavier than that...:albertein

[Skidsteer]

Oh Hell.

[Russell]

+1 Cuffs

[Big Mac]

Make that + 2. I'm still laughing.

[Lugnut]

That was below the belt! :congrats:

[Ray]

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