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SGT Rock
2012-11-26, 12:17
This Saturday we will be linking up in Tellico Plains at 0900 by the Cherohala Visitors Center to do some brush work on the BMT through the section known as "The Heart of Darkness" to the maintainers because of the remote nature and tendency to get overgrown like some sort of jungle. If you are interested, let me know!

Cuffs
2012-11-26, 13:31
Edit your title... Heat.

Hog On Ice
2012-11-26, 13:34
might get more people this way "The Heat Of Darkness" - brunets anyone?

SGT Rock
2012-11-26, 14:05
I'm still waking up, and getting ready for night shit at the same time.

generoll
2012-11-26, 16:15
what are they doing this Wednesday?

SGT Rock
2012-11-26, 16:28
Because I am working Wednseday and I'm in charge

generoll
2012-11-26, 17:39
again, WHAT are they doing this Wednesday?

SGT Rock
2012-11-26, 22:03
again, WHAT are they doing this Wednesday?

As far as I know nothing.

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Superman
2012-11-26, 22:06
might get more people this way "The Heat Of Darkness" - brunets anyone?

There's no point in reading this if it were "the heart of darkness."

generoll
2012-11-26, 23:44
ok, the BMT newsletter said something about work being done on Wednesday without going intp specifics.

SGT Rock
2012-11-27, 00:31
ok, the BMT newsletter said something about work being done on Wednesday without going intp specifics.

I haven't read it. I think there was going to be some special project in GA this month dealing with some reload.

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generoll
2012-11-27, 08:41
it was on the email, not the newsletter. it just refered to the reroute and said Wednesday.

Elder
2012-11-27, 11:17
Maybe that's what the fire was doing? 215 acres.

Kanga
2012-11-27, 18:59
did everybody get retarded while i was gone this weekend?

dixicritter
2012-11-27, 19:04
it was on the email, not the newsletter. it just refered to the reroute and said Wednesday.

Here's the email you were talking about....

THE DYER GAP RELOCATION CONSTRUCTION BEGINS - WED., NOV. 28 - COME JOIN US!



Yes, the Forest Service has finally approved and given us the okay to proceed on the long-awaited Dyer Gap relocation moving the trail off the road to the other side of the ridge and into the forest.



Wednesday, Nov. 28, with your turkey and trimmings finally all digested and the football games turned off, you are invited to join us for a trip making preliminary preparations for the usual GA second Sat. work trip Dec. 8. We will be clearing the lower part of the new Dyer Gap route on the 28th and placing flagging pins to mark the trail route and drainage dips.



Meet that Wednesday at either the Blue Ridge Village Restaurant at 9:00 a.m. for breakfast (note this is an hour later than usual), 9:30 there if not eating, or 10:15 at the Dyer Gap Cemetery. We will basically furnish the tools, but if you have a power brush cutter bring it too. We will stop our work by mid-afternoon and will do all work within about a third mile of our vehicles.



Should inclement weather occur, we have also set Wed., Dec. 5, as an alternate rain date. A handful helped us choose these dates by agreeing earlier to come. We hope you can come if not working. It's a chance to see first-hand how trail new construction occurs and be a part of that---creating a new trail thousands will walk in the years ahead.



George Owen, Trip Leader

generoll
2012-11-27, 19:43
yeah, that was it. I didn't see the last part for some reason.

Tin Man
2012-11-27, 21:29
did everybody get retarded while i was gone this weekend?

um, hello! that's a redundant question, don't cha think?

generoll
2012-11-27, 21:56
ok, here's the email I got. does this mean they don't love me? think I'll drive over just to fuck with them.

Dear BMTA Members and Affiliated recipients of the E-Newsletter,

Here is the link to the November BMTA newsletter: http://www.bmta.org/nl/BMTANewsletterNovember2012.pdf

The Thanksgiving Holiday is almost past and it is time to change focus to the rapidly approaching Christmas Holiday. I know that you are all wondering how to combat the calories and overcome the culinary excesses that are part and parcel of these two holidays which occur a mere month apart. Wonder no more! The BMTA is stepping up to help out with multiple opportunities during the month of December for you to burn off those bothersome calories and find escape from the throngs of shoppers at your local mall.

With Forest Service approval in hand for the anticipated Dyer Gap re-route, plans have been announced for an initial route clearing trip on Wednesday, November 28. The December 8 Georgia work trip will also be dedicated to the Dyer Gap re-route. Our goal is to complete the reroute by the end of March, 2013 and it may require a number of weekday work trips in addition to regularly schedule second Saturday trips to meet this objective.

As the usual date for the monthly Tennessee/North Carolina work trip will conflict with Christmas festivities, new Maintenance Director Ernie Engman has elected to move the date up to December 1, well ahead of most holiday commitments and obligations. The work for the day will be cutting brush and downed trees in the ďHeart of Darkness,Ē the notoriously remote section between Sandy Gap and Sled Runner Gap. The current plan is to meet behind the Cherohala Skyway Visitor Center located in Tellico Plains, TN at 9:00 AM on December 1, divide into two groups, and carpool to the respective starting points. More information on the work trips for Georgia and Tennessee, as well as contact numbers for the trip leaders can be found within the attached newsletter. It is very important that you let the trip leaders know ahead of time if you plan to attend so they can have adequate supplies of tools on hand and so you can be notified of a change in location or time for the trip.

The first board meeting of 2013 will take place Saturday, January 5, at 9:00 AM in Cherry Log, Georgia. I would like to thank all those who agreed to serve on the board for next year. I would also like to thank all who came out for the annual meeting and voted on the board nominees. I look forward to working with all the members in the coming year to ensure that we continue to provide an excellent hiking trail marked and maintained to a standard we can all be proud of.

See you on the trail!

David Blount, BMTA President

generoll
2012-11-27, 21:57
I'll just tell em Rock sent me.

Livx
2012-11-28, 13:36
Hey Sarge, I just saw your name mentioned in the Daily Times. Page 2

Hog On Ice
2012-11-28, 14:13
link to an article: http://www.thedailytimes.com/Business_News/story/Ernest-Engman-named-BMTA-maintenance-coordinator-for-Smokies-id-020015

could not find the latest article online

SGT Rock
2012-11-28, 14:16
That one is old HOI, I think it is from January.

Hog On Ice
2012-11-28, 14:33
yeah - that is why I went back and edited the posting - I should have checked the date first

SGT Rock
2012-11-28, 14:53
It will probably be on their pay side. They started that recently because they weren't getting enough from their print editions.

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Livx
2012-11-28, 15:07
I just saw it in today's paper while I was eating lunch. I didn't know it was a reprint.

SGT Rock
2012-11-28, 15:43
I've got to work tonight, then tomorrow I start putting the plan together better. Unfortunately I've been working about 60 hours a week lately and last week was almost 80 hours. Unless something happens this week I actually got some time off to do this work trip.

wishbone
2013-02-05, 08:27
there was a earthquake in the cohuttas last friday 2.8.does anyone know if any damage

Big Mac
2013-02-05, 10:19
From a 2.8? Doubtful.

Hog On Ice
2013-02-05, 10:59
hard to say what with all the rain a slide could have been triggered

SGT Rock
2013-02-05, 12:02
I haven't heard of anything. I'm waiting for some rain to clear before I head down to Reliance.

generoll
2013-02-05, 14:25
what's going on in Reliance?

Hog On Ice
2013-02-05, 15:46
I think Rock was going to take a look at the washout on the BMT and get some planning together on what to do about it

SGT Rock
2013-02-05, 18:37
I went to Reliance to look at the wash out and make a plan to fix it. I flagged off a re-route and figured with about 10 people we can make it happen in about 4 hours of work counting hiking time.

Bearpaw
2013-02-05, 19:17
I went to Reliance to look at the wash out and make a plan to fix it. I flagged off a re-route and figured with about 10 people we can make it happen in about 4 hours of work counting hiking time.

Let me know when. I should be able to help if I have some notice.

SGT Rock
2013-02-05, 19:26
I went down to Lost Creek today to look at the washout Richard Reported. I checked access from both ends and agree with Ken and Rick that the Lost Creek Campground end it the better end to form up for the fix. Initially it didn't look to bad, but on closer inspection we are still getting some erosion going on, what remains of the trail in places though this section is not supported underneath. I flagged about where the trail will go and paced it off, in all it looks like about 42 meters (~137 feet) of trail to build. Mostly it will be brush cutting and chainsaw work. I've created a couple of videos while I was down there today so you can see what is going on:

Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEt9-FG9k6A
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l11DHtUt4uc

These videos are not public, you won’t find them in a search, only if you have been given the links by me.

The point of work is about 1.9 miles from the Trail head, but is a very flat (and beautiful) walk along Lost Creek through what I refer to as the Lost Creek Gorge. Round trip hiking and work will probably be about 4 hours total if we can get about 10 people to show up for the work trip. I’ll work out the plan for link up times and tools tonight. I’m looking at ~0900 on the 23rd, linking up at the trail head near Lost Creek Campground. https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=35.159284,-84.470229&hl=en&sll=35.156898,-84.464049&sspn=0.02221,0.045447&t=p&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=15&z=15

Bearpaw
2013-02-06, 19:53
I went down to Lost Creek today to look at the washout Richard Reported. I checked access from both ends and agree with Ken and Rick that the Lost Creek Campground end it the better end to form up for the fix. Initially it didn't look to bad, but on closer inspection we are still getting some erosion going on, what remains of the trail in places though this section is not supported underneath. I flagged about where the trail will go and paced it off, in all it looks like about 42 meters (~137 feet) of trail to build. Mostly it will be brush cutting and chainsaw work. I've created a couple of videos while I was down there today so you can see what is going on:

Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEt9-FG9k6A
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l11DHtUt4uc

These videos are not public, you wonít find them in a search, only if you have been given the links by me.

The point of work is about 1.9 miles from the Trail head, but is a very flat (and beautiful) walk along Lost Creek through what I refer to as the Lost Creek Gorge. Round trip hiking and work will probably be about 4 hours total if we can get about 10 people to show up for the work trip. Iíll work out the plan for link up times and tools tonight. Iím looking at ~0900 on the 23rd, linking up at the trail head near Lost Creek Campground. https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=35.159284,-84.470229&hl=en&sll=35.156898,-84.464049&sspn=0.02221,0.045447&t=p&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=15&z=15

I can be there Rock.

SGT Rock
2013-02-06, 19:57
Thanks. I assume you know how to get there.

Bearpaw
2013-02-06, 19:59
Yeah. I've never driven there, but I've got the Nat Geo map.

SGT Rock
2013-02-06, 20:19
It isn't hard. If you are coming in on TN30 from US411, just go south from Reliance about 1.5 miles and on the left you will see a brown sign for "Lost Creek Campground". The road is graveled and passable by passenger car (unless you have a Corvette) and it's just under 7 miles from the start of the gravel road to the trail head. My red F150 will be there to flag folks in. It's a slow roll up there though, so plan for about 20 minutes to drive that 7 miles. If you are coming from the Ocoee area, then take a left up TN30 and about 7 miles up on the right you will see the sign for the camp ground. I know Benton is about center between those two options. I'll add you to the email roster for BMT TN/NC maintainers.

Bearpaw
2013-02-06, 20:48
Good deal.

Benton is looking more like home every day. We're pre-approved for a home loan that will buy plenty of house in the Benton area. We visit a likely home tomorrow after work. If things work out, we plan to move the last week of March.

The location would put me 20-25 minutes from the BMT on the Ocoee and 15 minutes from the crossing of the Hiwassee.

SGT Rock
2013-02-06, 20:55
Sweet. Let me know if you need any help getting moved in. If I'm free from work I can bring my truck and help.

SGT Rock
2013-02-06, 21:03
For those that have asked to help:

What: This month’s work trip is going to be to repair the trail on Lost Creek which has been undercut and partially collapsed from recent flooding. The task will be to build about 140’ of trail further from the bank which is where what is left of the current trail is still collapsing into Lost Creek due to the creek undercutting the bank.

When & Where: We will meet at the trail head on FS 103 aka Lost Creek Road at approx 0900 on 23 February. The walk to the maintenance point is about 1.9 miles from the Trail Head, is mostly flat walking and passes though the area I like to refer to as the “Lost Creek George” which is beautiful. Maintenance and walking time should be between 4-5 hours.

How: A good bit of the work will be done with chainsaws so we want to have two certified sawyers with some swampers to help them. One brush cutter which I will bring; and loppers, pulaskis, McLeod, fire rakes, etc will be needed for clearing the trail bed and some side hill work. If you want to bring your own tools, that is what I encourage you to bring with you.

What to bring and prepare for: The average weather for this time is high around 53 and low around 34. There is not a lot of direct sunlight to the area most of the day so expect cool weather. Bring snacks, water, and appropriate clothing for the conditions. Water is plentiful if you want to get it from the creek, but you may want to have a way to filter/treat. If you have a hard hat and gloves please bring them. It is not hunting season, so vests should not be needed.

I hope to get about 10 people to help. So far I have about 3 promised to come.

To find the trailhead: https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=35.159249,-84.470315&hl=en&sll=35.16395,-84.471302&sspn=0.022208,0.045447&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=15&t=m&z=15

Thanks.

JAK
2013-02-06, 21:11
I knew a fella known by "Lost Creek George", but only his mother would have called him beautiful.
Wish I could help. Won't be heading south until a week later. Might get to inspect your works if I get that far.

SGT Rock
2013-02-06, 21:15
Let me know if you are going to hike the BMT, there could be some trail magic in it for you.

JAK
2013-02-07, 05:10
Roger that. I'll keep in touch for sure. Have 9 days and that area would add 7 hours each way driving, but very doable. How cold are those reservoirs in early March? Guessing 45-50F? Wouldn't have to worry about spring run off so much on a reservoir compared to the Shenandoah and such. I'll have to figure out which ones are lakes and which ones are rivers. lol

generoll
2013-02-07, 09:45
water temp on Lake Chatuge is currently 42. not sure which reservoirs you're refering to but that oughta give you a hint.

JAK
2013-02-07, 15:01
That's great. Thanks. Thinking about maybe hiking and camping along the BMT while also paddling on Fontana Lake. Adventure training for daughter. It's a bit awkward leaving the kayaks and hiking or trail running out and backs but might work. Then paddle to the next spot etc. That's cold, but we should be ok with that. I guess I will be looking into the camping permits in GSMNP.

Hog On Ice
2013-02-16, 17:21
... Iím looking at ~0900 on the 23rd, linking up at the trail head near Lost Creek Campground. https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=35.159284,-84.470229&hl=en&sll=35.156898,-84.464049&sspn=0.02221,0.045447&t=p&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=15&z=15

Is this maintenance trip still a go? At the moment the weather looks like rain on Friday but Saturday is just cloudy and fairly warm (50's) so good weather for trail work.

SGT Rock
2013-02-16, 18:03
Still a go.

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Hog On Ice
2013-02-18, 20:30
how is that campground? - I see from the FS site (http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/cherokee/recreation/camping-cabins/recarea/?recid=35066&actid=29) it is open year round and there are 15 sites.

I am thinking of coming down for the weekend cause I need to get out of this place for a while (~cabin fever).

Skidsteer
2013-02-18, 20:34
how is that campground? - I see from the FS site (http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/cherokee/recreation/camping-cabins/recarea/?recid=35066&actid=29) it is open year round and there are 15 sites.

I am thinking of coming down for the weekend cause I need to get out of this place for a while (~cabin fever).

It's a decent place, HOI. I think you'd like it OK.

Bringing your hammock stand?

Hog On Ice
2013-02-18, 20:39
yeah that's the plan - I usually bring it if I'm not sure of the site

Skidsteer
2013-02-18, 20:46
It's fairly wooded but I'd bring it just in case. Not sure how the FS feels about hanging there.

We stopped there for lunch and it was very pleasant.

SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 05:05
It is a decent campsite. But if you go about 0.1 miles north on the BMT from the trail head there is a campsite on the BMT right on Lost Creek that is nice, and free. You can hang there without a stand too.

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Hog On Ice
2013-02-19, 05:34
From what I read on the FS site the camp sites in the campground are free also

I'll take a look and decide when I get there I guess - generally the sound of the creek is OK but it tends to make me get up more often to piss - in cooler times it tends to be more of a condensation problem also

Any known issues with car clouts at the campground parking? I am assuming that there is extra parking at the campground and that is where I would be parked.

SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 06:04
The campground is $7 a night (see page 29) and is also right on the creek. But it has fire rings, tables, and pit latrine.

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SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 06:12
I've not seen any clouts there or heard of any, and there is parking there but it's about .3 from the trailhead we are working at. And at that trailhead you can park about 10 cars.

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Hog On Ice
2013-02-19, 06:22
sounds like the campsite at 0.1 N is the better choice then - its on the way to the washout right?

SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 06:35
Yep. It might be .15 from where you park. The gravel road is a slow go. About 20 minutes for the ~6.5 miles.

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Hog On Ice
2013-02-19, 06:41
can't be as bad as Scales Road then

SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 09:09
No, it is good gravel. It is just a slow go compared to the paved road. Do you need any directions?

Also, you have an open invite to stay here any of those nights.

Hog On Ice
2013-02-19, 09:30
I think I'm OK with the directions and thanks for the offer but I need some woods time.

SGT Rock
2013-02-19, 14:46
I figured you did, but I wanted to offer just in case.

D'Artagnan
2013-02-19, 23:48
I just have to say I'd never heard the term "car clouts" before. I admit I had to google it.

SGT Rock
2013-02-20, 08:02
Did Google provide an answer?

Big Mac
2013-02-20, 08:34
Copspeak for auto burglary.

JAK
2013-02-20, 09:36
You fellas got that trail read for us yet, or are Margaret and I gonna have to come down and do it ourselves?

D'Artagnan
2013-02-20, 09:54
Copspeak for auto burglary.

Yep. That's what I found.

Superman
2013-02-20, 13:02
Copspeak for auto burglary.

That's gay.

SGT Rock
2013-02-20, 14:10
You fellas got that trail read for us yet, or are Margaret and I gonna have to come down and do it ourselves?

Not yet.

JAK
2013-02-21, 02:17
Hope you have fair weather for it, and that stream bank stabilizes itself.

SGT Rock
2013-02-23, 21:42
We got it done JAK, I'm waiting for some people to send me pictures so I can post them and send them up to the BMTA board.

Bearpaw
2013-02-24, 12:44
So we met up around 9 am yesterday. HOI, Rock, Dead Man Walking, Rockís younger son whose name I donít recall, a couple from north GA, and a local ranger all headed down the trail. We covered the 1.9 miles to the damaged section in about 45 minutes. Once there, we got a good look at the collapsed trail.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/010_zps363f3545.jpg

Dead Man Walking and Rock began weed whacking and chainsawing to clear the new corridor, next to the cliff face. Folks began removing branches and log sections and moving them over atop the old tread.

The actual damaged section was maybe 50 feet long, but to make a seamless reroute, we would need to relocate the tread about 50 on either side of the damage as well. I began fire raking to reroute the trail to the right of the old surface just as it began heading uphill from the crossing of a smaller feeder creek. This photo is standing next to the feeder creek looking up. The old trail is on the left, covered with brush and duff.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/011_zps495e9c1c.jpg

At the top of the short rise, we ripped away the duff and created an open tread. An hour earlier this section was covered with rhododendron and deadfall trees.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/013_zps6befa433.jpg

Once the corridor was open, we began to side hill cut to move the tread even closer to the wall and began removing roots.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/014_zps200c9ac8.jpg

While the crew was smoothing the middle section, Rock and Dead Man opened up the upper section so the new trail could rejoin the main tread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/015_zps85ce2450.jpg

The old logs were moved to block and steer hikers away from the old route.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/018_zps57642fdd.jpg

While this section was opening up, a few of us moved duff closer to our widened tread to steer hikers further away from the creekís edge. We also walked the tread to smooth it out as much as possible.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/019_zpsf61f90a2.jpg

Another half hour saw the trail opened, trimmed of roots, smoothed and walked back down to the original trail tread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/020_zps27c11cab.jpg

From here, all that was left was the walk out. An hour and a half of walking in and back and two and a half hours of work saw 150 feet of new tread on the Benton MacKaye Trail.

Rock, I have a few other photos as well. You can see them here (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/BMT%20Maintenance%202%2013/). Feel free to use them with the BMTA.

SGT Rock
2013-02-24, 12:49
Great report. Put any pictures you have up here and I'll just download them and send them.

Bearpaw
2013-02-24, 13:20
10 of them, resized from the huge ones they take from the camera.

Bearpaw
2013-02-24, 13:21
Last one, of the finished section connecting back in.

Ray
2013-02-24, 14:47
Nice hat, HOI.

Tin Man
2013-02-24, 15:19
nice work guys!

JAK
2013-02-24, 19:14
Great work. That's what I call trail magic. Nice looking woods.

Rock, tell me you got your basement leak fixed before working on the trail.

SGT Rock
2013-02-24, 21:15
Yes I did. New carpet was installed Wednesday.

SGT Rock
2013-03-05, 17:48
Clare Sullivan also took some pictures that day I'm going to include here in case anyone else wants a copy.

SGT Rock
2013-04-02, 16:44
http://www.bmta.org/nl/BMTANewsletterMarch2013.pdf

Bearpaw's write up is in this month's BMTA newsletter. Check out page 12-13.

Big Mac
2013-04-02, 17:11
Who is Fabian Hensley?

Lugnut
2013-04-02, 17:12
Who is Fabian Hensley?

Miss Janet's dog.

Big Mac
2013-04-02, 17:25
Didn't see the dog on the BMT work trip.

SGT Rock
2013-04-02, 18:37
Exactly

Big Mac
2013-04-02, 19:50
Hmmmmm

Lugnut
2013-04-02, 20:01
Miss Janet's last name is Hensley. Her dog's name is Fabian. Something funny going on at the BMTA. :ahhhhh:

Big Mac
2013-04-02, 20:15
'Zackly

Cuffs
2013-04-02, 21:02
I just saw what y'all are talkin about. That could seriously hurt the BMTA if their records ever get audited. They are claiming volunteer hours that don't exist. When they apply for funds or grants, they usually include volunteer hours to show how much time and effort is given to the trail. Sumbody gonna gits in troubles...

Superman
2013-04-02, 21:08
The three times I hiked all or part of the BMT I cleared branches, etc. off the trail unless it required a chain saw. They can count that....it was voluntary.

Skidsteer
2013-04-02, 21:18
I just saw what y'all are talkin about. That could seriously hurt the BMTA if their records ever get audited. They are claiming volunteer hours that don't exist. When they apply for funds or grants, they usually include volunteer hours to show how much time and effort is given to the trail. Sumbody gonna gits in troubles...

Guess which day this newsletter was emailed to members.

Superman
2013-04-02, 21:20
Guess which day this newsletter was emailed to members.

Monday?

Skidsteer
2013-04-02, 21:22
Monday?

Exactly. Never trust anything said on a Monday.

Superman
2013-04-02, 21:29
Exactly. Never trust anything said on a Monday.

The truth is that I just made believe I was back in college....and guessed. I was thinking that a 1 in 7 chance is better than what I got back in college. They gave me a 50/50 chance...damn that was hard guessing.

Bearpaw
2013-04-06, 16:12
I just saw what y'all are talkin about. That could seriously hurt the BMTA if their records ever get audited. They are claiming volunteer hours that don't exist. When they apply for funds or grants, they usually include volunteer hours to show how much time and effort is given to the trail. Sumbody gonna gits in troubles...

There was definitely a hairy rascal out there working under that name...